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[snakewispera snr]

I'm really just typing so I can subscribe to this thread..... and get some brownies.

You can subscribe using the thread tool drop down at the top of this page....
No need to add to follow it..... LOL
Buut as I have now joined in I may as well add some fuel along the way...

That Rosie is a firey little gal isn't she. I like that. :grin01:

Yep... I like her style of posting as well....

Aaron, when people believe in things they can't see, the are called whackos.

Wade.... I can't see air, but I believe it is there.... :bounce:
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Now the big question is.....
Which God are we trying to prove out here...
As there is only one true God (the basic fundamental belief in most religions).... Show me the maths that disprove all the false Gods....

 

[airenlow]

Don't we all love Family Guy?

 

[snakewispera snr]

I edge my bets on the question of whether God exists or not.....
The most ardent atheist cannot prove that God doesn't exist...

 

[crazyDave]

good. then talk about those. Stop this proof nonsense, you wont make friends by trying to say you can 'prove' or 'disprove' peoples basic beliefs. Maybe your just bad at making new friends, but this is not the way to do it. Your not going to change anyones mind with that mathematical drivel you were posting earlier, and I am personally QUITE offended that you presume to think that you know so much more than I do about what I should have faith in!!!!!!! I'd love to say what I'm really thinking about you, but I can't because I like this forum and don't want to get banned!!! not only do you presume to be smarter than anyone else on the planet, "u do it lyke this, so no1 wood ever rlly take u srusly 2 strt wth"
To answer your original question: NO!!! there is nowhere on this forum it is appropriate to spout stupid made up math and call it proof of your concept of 'God'. If that is the sort of thing welcome here, I was mistaken with my assessment of this place.
so BLOCK YOU JERK!!

((sorry everyone else. This made me VERY angry. Please know outbursts like this are not something I make a habit of. I think in the future I will bow out of religious discussion.))

if it is drivel the why has no one proved it wrong there is an obvious flaw in it and no one has seen it yet and because of the flaw it proves me correct

and why do u along with the rest of people on here completely ignore my other proof and just say nuh uh the math is wrong with no proof

also this is the general chit chat board and i would say that religion is general chit chat if u do not talk about it openly and smartly in ur culture that is ur problem but in mine we talk about it without getting angry like a child

and u attack at me for my english when i have said it is not so good because it is not my first language or even my second this is the internet which is internation u should be more accepting rather than a stuck up jerk who thinks only people who speak perfect english have a brain

 

[Rich Z]

i need some time to type it up

its hard to say in english

Interesting.... Your IP address hails from Illinois.

lets say atheism = false
atheism^2 = atheism * false
atheism^2 + atheism^2 = atheism^2 + atheism * false
2atheism^2 = atheism^2 + atheism * false
2atheism^2 - 2atheism * false = atheism^2 + atheism * false - 2atheism * false
2atheism^2 - 2atheism * false = atheism^2 = 2atheism^2 - atheism * false
2(atheism^2 - atheism * false) = 1(theism^2 - atheism * false)
atheism = not false

there is part some of my proof i have more but it takes long time to make it in english

Sorry, but your "proof" gets shot down in flames simply by starting off with "lets say"....

Aaron, when people believe in things they can't see, the are called whackos.

Interesting concept. You know, I remember flying out to Los Angeles and when stepping off the plane and seeing the sign at the airport stating that I was in Los Angeles, I thought, "Well I'll be damned. There really IS a Los Angeles....." :laugh:

Seriously, before you can PROVE God, you need to DEFINE God. Has anyone done that yet? I mean, not what you THINK God is, but what you KNOW God is.

And while you are at it, what exactly is the "soul"?

 

[wstphal]

Aaron, when people believe in things they can't see, the are called whackos.

Wadiepoo, I must be a whacko too. I believe in the existence of snakes that haven't shipped yet. I believe in the existence of people I have communicated with on this forum that I have never seen face to face, like you and Diamondlil, among others.

I also believe in the existence of Deity, and see the presence of Deity in cornsnakes, kittens, human intelligence (such as it is!!), sunrises, sunsets, cherry blossoms, tarantulas, and many, many other things.

I don't think I am a whacko. I think I share this belief in Deity in some form with most of the human species. I won't ever claim I can prove the existence of Deity until & unless I have some sort of supernatural proof, and I won't ever try to jam my belief into an atheist's mind, or an agnostic's, or one who is a believer in a form of Deity that admits of no other possible forms of Deity.

So not all of us believers are whackos.

 

[wade]

There is a very fine line between the super natural and religion. Sometimes it is so fine it disappears. I invited a dozen friends over for dinner one night several years ago. Sadly as my guests arrived I was informed that one of my friends had been killed in a car accident. It really put a damper on the mood as you can imagine. We sat around my living room talking about our friend and trying to comfort each other. Suddenly there was an intense light that filled the room. There standing in the center or the room was our dead friend. He told us not to worry that he was ok. He said that being dead was great, there were wonderful trout streams everywhere and the quail didn’t fly as fast as he remembered. Much easier to shoot than when he was alive. Since his death, he is now able to shoot par off the blue tees. We all sat down to dinner and it was wonderful. The dead guy didn’t eat, said he was on a diet. But we had fun. I have a much better understanding about my purpose here on earth now. I have really got to work on my golf game if I’m going to have to compete with that jerk in heaven.

 

[crazyDave]

Interesting.... Your IP address hails from Illinois.



Sorry, but your "proof" gets shot down in flames simply by starting off with "lets say"....

because i moved here not so long ago and got a work visa

and about my proof u are forgetting that is only part of it and i have posted other part and will be posting more of it later

 

[RosieReal]

if it is drivel the why has no one proved it wrong there is an obvious flaw in it and no one has seen it yet and because of the flaw it proves me correct

and why do u along with the rest of people on here completely ignore my other proof and just say nuh uh the math is wrong with no proof

also this is the general chit chat board and i would say that religion is general chit chat if u do not talk about it openly and smartly in ur culture that is ur problem but in mine we talk about it without getting angry like a child

and u attack at me for my english when i have said it is not so good because it is not my first language or even my second this is the internet which is internation u should be more accepting rather than a stuck up jerk who thinks only people who speak perfect english have a brain

I do not belive that English is your second language. I belive you are a lazy typist. Your first post was a direct assumption that you can prove something you have no busniess even trying to prove. Your "math" is not wrong anymore than a childrens cartoon is wrong, because ITS PURE FICTION FROM THE GROUND UP. YOU PULLED IT OUT OF YOUR @$$ AND EXPECTED PEOPLE TO BELIVE YOU!!

 

[RosieReal]

...also. Thank you Wade for the compliment, and also Thank you Mike. There are many, many Gods out there, there are many many things to consider when trying to decide what to believe.
For all of you with Faith (who cares what kind or in what) good for you! I'm glad. I'm sure it brings you comfort, joy, serenity, and happiness.
For all of you who DO NOT hold to religious or spiritual belief, good for you too! Its up to you to decide what is real, true, and good...for you.

I resent someone trying to say 'GOD IS REAL' because for that to be true, the statment "ANY OTHER GOD/GODDESS/SPIRITUAL BEING IS FAKE" is just as true. That should not be the case...I cannot condemn anyone's faith to be false. I've avoided talking about my own belief, because I dont think it matters.
I'm not a child, but CrazyDave, I think that perhaps you are not fully mature. No more of this NONSENSICAL DRIVAL!!
I dont agree. I find you offensive. I find the way you started this whole conversation totally off putting. Your kind of trollish behavior is unwelcome. You are in my mind nothing more than a loser with nothing better to do than be an obvious TROLL!!!!

 

[LBoz]

LMAO! Rosie, you are on a roll today, girlfriend!! <3

Now, did you recently mention something about raining jellybeans??

 

[crazyDave]

I do not belive that English is your second language. I belive you are a lazy typist. Your first post was a direct assumption that you can prove something you have no busniess even trying to prove. Your "math" is not wrong anymore than a childrens cartoon is wrong, because ITS PURE FICTION FROM THE GROUND UP. YOU PULLED IT OUT OF YOUR @$$ AND EXPECTED PEOPLE TO BELIVE YOU!!

as i said english is not my second language or my first and i am not lazy i have to convert all my thoughts into english which is not such an easy thing for i to do

and who are u to say i have no business proving something people thought u are trying to be like the people that said Galileo had no business questioning that the sun revolves around the earth

and i would like for u to stop the attacks on me as a person and direct ur energy toward refuting my arguments and not just the math one

if u find this discussion offensive why did u even look at it and then keep looking at it i find it strange u try and keep getting offended so u must like it

 

[snakewispera snr]

So back to my question, Dave... The one you are not answering....
Which God are we trying to prove out.... You said that your third language is English and you only just moved using a visa, so I'm guessing your God will be harder to prove here than a Christian god......

 

[RosieReal]

haha...thanks Lori. I am all riled today. I did mention raining JellyBellys. That was in the other thread I'm all up on a soap box in...lol...Maybe I should hold on to that thought and take a few breaths. :fullauto:

 

[crazyDave]

So back to my question, Dave... The one you are not answering....
Which God are we trying to prove out.... You said that your third language is English and you only just moved using a visa, so I'm guessing your God will be harder to prove here than a Christian god......

if i had to say what god is most likely to be the true god i would say Allah but i can not be for sure as i can only prove there is a creator of some kind

 

[snakewispera snr]

if i had to say what god is most likely to be the true god i would say Allah but i can not be for sure as i can only prove there is a creator of some kind

I thought it may be Allah.... But you're not sure he exists...
So how about another scientific theory to prove out God/Heaven/Hell
and it make as much sense if not more sense than your formula....
Hell explained by a chemistry student.
The following is an actual question given on a University of Arizona chemistry mid term, and an actual answer turned in by a student. The answer by one student was so 'profound' that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well :

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving, which is unlikely. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today.

Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, 'It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,' and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct..... ...leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting 'Oh my God.'

THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+.

 

[RosieReal]

if i had to say what god is most likely to be the true god i would say Allah but i can not be for sure as i can only prove there is a creator of some kind

A single creator? or many? male or female? of what origin? are we made in its image, what image is that? Since we were created, we must have a purpose, and since you know so much, are you about to tell us that too?

Like I said, its all just your opinion presented as fact. Your pulling it out of your bottom and spewing it out of your mouth.
Your arrogance on such an issue makes me want to retch. You FAKE. PHONEY. FRAUD. You've proven nothing.

 

[wade]

all the dimensions you can go forwards or backwards in except time
its obvious Allah had to make it that way because nature would have obviously made it go both ways like the animals

OK, I’ll address you second “proof”. It is stupid and makes no sense. Why is it obvious that Allah had to make it that way? On the assumption that I agree with your assumption, Maybe Allah made it that way because that was the way he wanted it. Why would nature make it go both ways like the animals? There is no correlation between the animals and the dimensions. Who says nature made the animals? I thought Allah made the animals. Or was it his friend Biff? I can’t remember.

This is a foolish way to try to prove anything, especially something as intangible as God. You are wasting your time and everyone else. Except for those of us who enjoy mental jousting with inferior opponents.

 

[RosieReal]

You are wasting your time and everyone else. Except for those of us who enjoy mental jousting with inferior opponents.

I do enjoy a good rip every now and then. Cats need scratching posts to sharpen their claws...although its hard to find people who deserve a good ripping. Under different circumstances I'd claim to have too soft a heart for this kind of thing.

Anyway, I do want to apologize for disbelieving your ESL status (which i'm still not sold on. but this is one of those things I cant prove...get it?) CrazyDave, but your spouting so much other Bull spit that I don't think anything you say is true. Nor will I believe you in the future. At least we know right off who and what you are, OP.

 

[susang]

Wadiepoo, I must be a whacko too. I believe in the existence of snakes that haven't shipped yet. I believe in the existence of people I have communicated with on this forum that I have never seen face to face, like you and Diamondlil, among others.

I also believe in the existence of Deity, and see the presence of Deity in cornsnakes, kittens, human intelligence (such as it is!!), sunrises, sunsets, cherry blossoms, tarantulas, and many, many other things.

I don't think I am a whacko. I think I share this belief in Deity in some form with most of the human species. I won't ever claim I can prove the existence of Deity until & unless I have some sort of supernatural proof, and I won't ever try to jam my belief into an atheist's mind, or an agnostic's, or one who is a believer in a form of Deity that admits of no other possible forms of Deity.

So not all of us believers are whackos.

ditto, ditto a thousand times. I am a part time whacko, but my beliefs are believe in something, anything or many things. It is foreign in my mind to think of one Deity as is me being a bigot (sorry another thread).
The beauty in every aspect of nature tells me there a power a force-----nature. If I believed in ONE deity, that deity would be the cause of all good and all that is bad in this world. That deity would say you are not of my religion therefore you will not go to heaven. I have heard so many believers lately saying Catholics are a cult, Mormons are a cult, the Jews don't believe in Jesus.... What kind of deity is that who does that leave. Although at the same time I will not deny anyone their belief, just don't deny mine.
Sorry seems my mind is running faster then I type, my point is open our minds, our hearts possiblity of anything and everything. blessed be