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religion

RosieReal said:
A single creator? or many? male or female? of what origin? are we made in its image, what image is that? Since we were created, we must have a purpose, and since you know so much, are you about to tell us that too?

Like I said, its all just your opinion presented as fact. Your pulling it out of your bottom and spewing it out of your mouth.
Your arrogance on such an issue makes me want to retch. You FAKE. PHONEY. FRAUD. You've proven nothing.
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Keep this conversation civil, please. If this is actually a troll, then you are doing exactly what he wants you to do by acting like that.
 
snakewispera snr said:
I thought it may be Allah.... But you're not sure he exists...
So how about another scientific theory to prove out God/Heaven/Hell
and it make as much sense if not more sense than your formula....
Hell explained by a chemistry student.
The following is an actual question given on a University of Arizona chemistry mid term, and an actual answer turned in by a student. The answer by one student was so 'profound' that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well :

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving, which is unlikely. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today.

Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, 'It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,' and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct..... ...leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting 'Oh my God.'

THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+.
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i do not believe in a heaven or hell for obvious flaws in its design i believe it was made up by people to put fear in people

RosieReal said:
A single creator? or many? male or female? of what origin? are we made in its image, what image is that? Since we were created, we must have a purpose, and since you know so much, are you about to tell us that too?

Like I said, its all just your opinion presented as fact. Your pulling it out of your bottom and spewing it out of your mouth.
Your arrogance on such an issue makes me want to retch. You FAKE. PHONEY. FRAUD. You've proven nothing.
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i am not trying to prove if we where made by a god or not i am simply proving that at least one god created the universe

u try and put words in my mouth so to speak to win ur semantical argument

wade said:
OK, I’ll address you second “proof”. It is stupid and makes no sense. Why is it obvious that Allah had to make it that way? On the assumption that I agree with your assumption, Maybe Allah made it that way because that was the way he wanted it. Why would nature make it go both ways like the animals? There is no correlation between the animals and the dimensions. Who says nature made the animals? I thought Allah made the animals. Or was it his friend Biff? I can’t remember.

This is a foolish way to try to prove anything, especially something as intangible as God. You are wasting your time and everyone else. Except for those of us who enjoy mental jousting with inferior opponents.
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calling it stupid and makes no sense does not disprove it

there is no reason why nature would make 3 spatial dimension and then randomly make a temporal one which is nothing like the other three in pretty much any cents

and i ur trying to turn this into a discussion about evolution which it is not i was trying to make humor with the animal part

and if u are trying to say i am stupid u should read ur own arguments they are as stupid as stupid gets as u are trying to change the subject and make fun of it rather then facing it and refuting it
 
Faith cant be proved. Faith is something that u believe without seeing or proving. If u really believe in ur god then u should have faith n believe that he excists without having to prove him to anyone else.
 
crazyDave said:
i do not believe in a heaven or hell for obvious flaws in its design i believe it was made up by people to put fear in people
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But without heaven or hell, what is the point in religion?
Why bother putting yourself out for a lifetime with no actual reward... Or reason to gloat over the infidel...
 
all the dimensions you can go forwards or backwards in except time
its obvious Allah had to make it that way because nature would have obviously made it go both ways like the animals
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Wait a minute Mr. Crazy, it is your proof. You are the one that said nature would have obviously made it go both ways like the animals. I have said nothing about evolution. You are the one that said nature did it.

there is no reason why nature would make 3 spatial dimension and then randomly make a temporal one
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You mean there is no reason that you are aware of. Do you assume that you know all the god knows and you understand all that he understands so you can criticize the way he makes things. You are very confident in yourself.

How have I change the subject? I have said nothing that didn’t pertain directly to your “proof”.

Speaking of proof, Mike presented a proof for your judgement and your response was

i do not believe in a heaven or hell for obvious flaws in its design i believe it was made up by people to put fear in people
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Now I hate to criticize someone as smart as you but that is a pretty lame argument. You don’t believe in heaven or hell so his proof is flawed for obvious reasons. If that line of thinking works for you try this on for size.

I don’t believe in god for obvious flaws in his design so your proofs have no merit.
 
snakewispera snr said:
But without heaven or hell, what is the point in religion?
Why bother putting yourself out for a lifetime with no actal reward... Or reason to gloat over the infidel...
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For me, I get my guidance, and my consequences, good or bad, in this life. I do not believe in eternal rewards or eternal punishments, but I do believe in the law of three-fold return. That's good enough for me.

I also do not believe in the concept of "infidels". Good people exist everywhere, and I honor their choices to believe in a deity, or deities, or NO deities, and live a good life. Ain't no such beastie as an infidel in my mind!

Of course, this is IMHO and others MMV.
 
snakewispera snr said:
But without heaven or hell, what is the point in religion?
Why bother putting yourself out for a lifetime with no actal reward... Or reason to gloat over the infidel...
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ur completely changing the subject and playing with semantics

the subject is that there is a creator not if there is a personal god or the rationality of it

u are trying to argue as if i am closely bound to Islam when i am not

however i am closely bound to the idea of a non personal god or group of them that created the universe and let it take its own path but i have not heard of such a god or group of gods and the closest i have heard of is Allah
 
wade said:
I don’t believe in god for obvious flaws in his design so your proofs have no merit.
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Wade, if we ever meet in real life (real like poptarts, not like god. poptarts are proven.) tell your wife that a Canadian girl owes you a big fat KISS!!! Thank you.
 
crazyDave said:
ur completely changing the subject and playing with semantics

the subject is that there is a creator not if there is a personal god or the rationality of it

u are trying to argue as if i am closely bound to Islam when i am not

however i am closely bound to the idea of a non personal god or group of them that created the universe and let it take its own path but i have not heard of such a god or group of gods and the closest i have heard of is Allah
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:headbang::headbang::headbang:
You must be a troll...... I'm not smart enough to know what semantics are, if you know what I mean... ;)
And you are not closely bound to your beliefs to maintain a level argument, if you know what I mean....;)
 
wade said:
Wait a minute Mr. Crazy, it is your proof. You are the one that said nature would have obviously made it go both ways like the animals. I have said nothing about evolution. You are the one that said nature did it.



You mean there is no reason that you are aware of. Do you assume that you know all the god knows and you understand all that he understands so you can criticize the way he makes things. You are very confident in yourself.

How have I change the subject? I have said nothing that didn’t pertain directly to your “proof”.

Speaking of proof, Mike presented a proof for your judgement and your response was



Now I hate to criticize someone as smart as you but that is a pretty lame argument. You don’t believe in heaven or hell so his proof is flawed for obvious reasons. If that line of thinking works for you try this on for size.

I don’t believe in god for obvious flaws in his design so your proofs have no merit.
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u said nothing about animals but u are referencing evolution and it is obvious that u are trying to back track

i never said i know everything u are trying to make it seem as if i claimed that it just makes no sense that it would naturally just come up with a completely different set of attributes out of nothing

and i did not say his proof was flawed i said that the idea of heaven and hell is flawed in fact he helped support my claim by pointing out a flaw

and if u would be so kind as to speak about how the idea of a god or gods that are non personal has flaws i would be glad to correct u
 
snakewispera snr said:
:headbang::headbang::headbang:
You must be a troll...... I'm not smart enough to know what semantics are, if you know what I mean... ;)
And you are not closely bound to your beliefs to maintain a level argument, if you know what I mean....;)
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i do not know what u mean by both of those statements

i do not understand how u do not know what semantics are u can use a dictionary like i do

and i do no know what u mean at all with the other statement
 
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