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Rep Power??? PLEASE HELP!!!

Trust me when I say that I have all kinds of good ideas and knowledge to give to those that need it. Plus as I have said before you are trying to say no one likes this idea. Well look back at this thread a few people agree with me on this issue.

I have brought this to Rich's attention. Well just the same as some of you he is like its not worth it.

Well this is one of those tools. But once again a great idea is thrown to the trash cause a simple format change for a few bucks cant be done. As far as why dont I pay for the change. Well I kinda did when I paid for my contributorship.

As far as going to the BOI in fauna to find out about someone on cornsnakes. Why should you have to go to a different site to do so. Plus what if that person doesnt deal on fauna only on cornsnake.

Over all though I am learning to love this site and some of the people on it. I do think it is a great system and some great people here. But I also feel there is a few things that could be changed

Plus the few people on fauna that have the super membership with the red shiny's pay $500 bucks a year. Just those people alone pay for the running of both sites. Not counting all the other paying members on both sites. So there is money to add a few simple things


You have lots of advise for everyone. I notice you don't read or consider what anyone else has to say. That makes you a very foolish person, not destined to learn much in the future.

I don't think I will take the time necessary to explain the rest to you.
 
So now that my feelings are extremely hurt I will say far well to you all. I will come back at a later date. But for now have no need to be treated as a idiot that knows nothing about anything. Thank you so much for making me feel welcome I only hope that you dont treat all new people here the same way.

:sobstory: Give me a break.

Although it looks like I've been here a year, I've actually only been active since Feb. 21/10. I was treated just fine because I didn't act like a PITA. You get what you give.
 
Building a good reputation can't really be artificially hurried. It will occur over time as you post photos, ads, participate in threads as an adviser, as well as a thoughtful, helpful, respectful, member in various debate or opinion threads. Numerous such posts over a period of time will allow other members to see more of your character than a simple number given by a limited number of other members.

I should mention that I have been reading the BOI for many years. I rarely look at the trader ratings, but I read interesting or relevant threads quite often. What other members say about the "suspect" may be important, but the MOST important reason I would decide whether or not to deal with a person in those threads is the words of the person themselves. Some under attack there have handled themselves so professionally that I would love to do business with them, regardless of what others say. OTOH, some (both the defendant and the prosecutors) have handled themselves so UNPROFESSIONALLY that I wouldn't touch them with a 10 ft. pole.

Your words in each post you make will remain for posterity (or as long as this site lasts) to judge you by. I like to review each post I make with an eye to how it reflects on my character and my business. I assume that everyone I know (and many unknown to me) will read it, and post accordingly. It is one thing to verbally discuss something with friends, and possibly say something you will regret later to one or two people. What is posted on a forum could be read by hundreds (or more) people for a long time to come. So it is worth some extra time and thought to make sure your are portraying yourself the way you really feel is true to your character.

I like a good debate myself. And sometimes my opinion has been changed by a good, logical, presentation of another perspective. As long as the debate stays civil and doesn't degenerate into personal attacks, I can enjoy it. But most of the time, the debate doesn't change opinions if they were pretty solid to begin with - it just helps people see the subject with a new point of view. And if they were undecided, the debate may help them make up their mind.

I could probably think of a couple things to change about this site to make it more to my liking (can't think of any right now, but could probably come up with something). I think in the past, I might have had a suggestion or two. However, if it is something I would like, but something the majority don't want, or don't care about, then I would accept that it isn't going to be changed just to suit me. If you push too much for something unpopular, ESPECIALLY if you are new, it won't change anyone's mind, it will just brand you as a new person who wants everyone to change to suit their needs. OTOH, once you have been around for many months or years, and everyone knows and loves you, then you could probably push for something a little harder, and other members might be more tolerant of your suggestions. Of course, by that time, you will already have built your reputation and will probably feel little need for the change.
 
I am not whining nor am I trying to complain. Just trying to give a opinion on something that could help everyone out. But its cool I said it before on a previous thread and now I guess I will have to do. No longer with my opinion come out of my mouth. No one here likes a thinker. They just want you to conform to the way things are. Well that is what I will do from now on. Cause once again my opinion, advise, and knowledge is not welcome here. You people sure do know how to bring in new people to a site. Possible new customers of the same hobby that I love but unsure about some of you. I have seen nothing but bashing from so many of you. You just knit pick at anything and everything I say and do. From my ideas to posting up my reptiles.

So now that my feelings are extremely hurt I will say far well to you all. I will come back at a later date. But for now have no need to be treated as a idiot that knows nothing about anything. Thank you so much for making me feel welcome I only hope that you dont treat all new people here the same way

Ya know dude - it isn't that no one here doesn't like a thinker - quit trying to twist this around. What it is - is that you have stated your opinion, others have stated their's in response - and because it isn't the response you wanted (everyone agreeing with you), you won't leave it alone and drop it. You keep pushing the issue until you piss everyone off. People have ideas on here all the time. Sometimes they are good ones and get implemented, and sometimes they aren't so good and they don't. This is one of the latter - but you just don't want to let it go.

People "picked" on your for sale thread because the info you were posting was not clear. It could be misread and misleading to potential buyers. You think you are being smart in your way of posting, and others pointed out that it could be confusing...you didn't like the responses - so of course everyone is picking on you. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and instead try to be a part of the community. Listen to the advice people are giving you instead of letting it go in one ear and out the other. Read how other people post their for sale ads and their opinions on subjects.

If you were to ever bother reading some of the introduction threads where new people join the site you would see that the majority of them are welcomed quite warmly. But of course, they don't automatically come in rocking the boat....
 
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Posts like this is what the "Rep Point" system was designed for. :cheers:

Jay :cool:
 

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I had no idea the OP was rubbing everyone the wrong way. But I do feel there is a point here that everyone is missing due to their feelings about the person who made the suggestion.
Frankly, the BOI does not do much for us corn snake breeders if nobody goes over there to say anything after they have a good transaction. A lot of us that are "well known" here on cs are pretty much nonexistent on BOI. I have made a lot of good sales here and if you did a search for me on BOI, nothing. Plus to reiterate if even Susan has hardly any feedback on BOI then maybe we can look at this idea of having some kind of feedback other than the rep system as maybe not being quite so terrible? Just my 2 cents. Well as I said before I knew I'd be in the minority, but my point is not everyone thinks it's such a stupid idea to have a way of acknowledging the "good guys" we do business with here on c.s... :shrugs:
 
Maybe we should encourage each other to start posting feedback on the BOI?

I got a few trader points there a long time ago, but nothing recently, as far as I know. But then, I haven't checked it in quite a while, either.

As I said, I really have nothing against the idea of something like that here - but don't see a great need, either. Since it wouldn't matter to me either way, whatever gets decided is fine by me. If there was something like that here, I would like to see it attached right to the classified section.

But we really should try to help each other out by posting on the BOI - at least the trader ratings.
 
How do you add to a trader rating on the BOI, I haven't spent enough time there to know.
 
I have only been a member of this Forum for close to 2 months and already I can tell, or get an idea of the people/dealers I would like to deal with. I do not use the BOI, nor do i really have a plan to. If you possess even a slight amount of intelligence and patience, this becomes apparent over time. I too eventually plan to become a valued breeder/seller but I am aware of the fact that this takes time along with at least an ATTEMPT at professionalism.

Kathy, your post on the necessary requirements to begin building a reputation and business here was phenomenal.
 
Ok after being at work all night (as I am a bartender) I kinda changed my feelings on this whole thing. I do still feel that there is nothing wrong with having something here to better judge other people you might do business with. As you all can see if you read this whole thread that I am not the only one that feels there could be something alittle more.

I will have to say the violin was not necessary. I was very hurt when I left here. I am a man and I can admit that some of you brought tears to my eyes. You just make me feel like I am not wanted. That my life long dream sense I was a kid will never happen. That I am not good enough to be in this hobby/business. It really stung me inside something bad. I will say this that some of you think I push and push a subject on people until I get my way. That is not my intentions at all. I merely debate and see if I cant change some minds. But some of you are some hard people to crack lol.

I have already done in just the short time on here plenty of business with several people. I even got some of Kathy Love's famous racks that I remember seeing in one of her first books. (thank you Kathy and I will leave you a trade rating cause it is a good thing to have in my eyes like you need it though lol everyone knows you and that you are a great person in this industry)

I do think that some of you that call yourself a professional do come off here pretty harsh. Sense my first post here I have had nothing but sly remarks and bashing towards me.

My sale post that I got so much beef on was the starting point of me feeling not welcome and bashed here. I posted the wrong number/snake ratio is what some felt. It was not wrong just different. I posted that the babies were Amel Mots het Butter. Well really there are het Caramel not that there is much difference there you had to know what I was talking about to be able to tell me I was wrong. What about someone posting a Lavender Motley het Opal. Well its not really het opal is it its het Amel right or wrong. But I dont see people telling that person how much of a idiot he/she is. That is just one thing that I could come up with that I see a lot but there is many more.

I am really tired of defending myself here. I should not have to. All you people see is some letters making words and sentences. You dont know me or what I have been through or the true passion I have for this industry. I dont need to be bashed or told that I am plainly well and idiot. Some of you are say well I never bashed him or anything go back at what you wrote and read it again. Then you can tell me well maybe it did come off a little harsh.

The biggest thing that bothers me is the spelling grammar stuff. I dont know who the people are that are knit picking me about it but come on. I am not a english major nor will I ever be. I type to the best that I can. If its not good enough for some of the picky people here well then dont buy from me in the future. But I dont need you to publicly humiliate me with how much smarter you are then I am. I am here to learn and maybe pass some advice from my experience. I am also here to buy sell and trade reptiles not to grade essays and english exams. So if you are looking to deal with a english major that just so happens to breed and sell reptiles well I guess I am not your man. Thank you for belittling me on this.

To those that do feel that something new or different could or should be implemented here about people and the way they do business. Well thank you for having my corner.
 
I was very hurt when I left here. I am a man and I can admit that some of you brought tears to my eyes. You just make me feel like I am not wanted. That my life long dream sense I was a kid will never happen. That I am not good enough to be in this hobby/business. It really stung me inside something bad.
I do not believe that this is the outcome that any person on this site wants. We DO want people to feel welcome and to become part of the community. The disconnect here is that it seems every thread you start is trying to rock the boat instead of just enjoying the site and getting to know people. Take a step back, relax, start joining in on some other threads instead of constantly trying to change things. There is nothing wrong with healthy debate, but when every thread you start is about changing something it makes it seem like you don't think this site is good enough when pretty much everyone here loves it as it is. Join in on some of the light hearted threads, post in people's threads with pics of their snakes...enjoy the site for a while.

My sale post that I got so much beef on was the starting point of me feeling not welcome and bashed here. I posted the wrong number/snake ratio is what some felt. It was not wrong just different. I posted that the babies were Amel Mots het Butter. Well really there are het Caramel not that there is much difference there you had to know what I was talking about to be able to tell me I was wrong. What about someone posting a Lavender Motley het Opal. Well its not really het opal is it its het Amel right or wrong. But I dont see people telling that person how much of a idiot he/she is.
I do not read a lot of the for sale ads on the site anymore. (I really don't need to buy anymore snakes right now!!) I had read yours because you were a new member and I wanted to see what you had or were working with. Because you were a new member I tried to helpfully point out that by the way you were advertising it could be misconstrued or misunderstood. MOST people on here post with actual hets, not what the hets can make (ie caramel vs. butter). Especially for newbs, a lot of time the basic info is the best and easiest way to learn and understand. Your big argument was that you were trying to make it easy for the "mothers and grandmas who shop on the site". Have you looked around? We don't have a lot of grandmas shopping here for presents for their grandkids. This is mainly people who do know at least a little bit about snakes and what they are looking for so to put down the most accurate information is really important. Yes, a lot of people are going to know that caramel and amel equals butter - but still - it is all in your presentation. But you didn't like the constructive criticism so it was considered "picking" on you.


If you would just stop and read and learn and listen a little bit you would find that this really is a site full of kind and goodhearted people for the most part. People that will stick up for you and defend you and help you out and pick you up when you are down. But you don't get to that point by coming in and constantly attacking the way things already are.
You are enthusiastic about your hobby and that is a huge benefit - the reptile world needs more people like you. But you need to take the time to get to know your fellow herp enthusiasts and spend some time talking with them on here before trying to change everything. As Kathy stated, people are more prone to listen to suggestions once they have spent some time getting to know you and realize you are a good person vs. being someone brand new to the community who just wants to upset the way things have always been (so to speak).
 
The biggest thing that bothers me is the spelling grammar stuff. I dont know who the people are that are knit picking me about it but come on. I am not a english major nor will I ever be. I type to the best that I can. If its not good enough for some of the picky people here well then dont buy from me in the future. But I dont need you to publicly humiliate me with how much smarter you are then I am. I am here to learn and maybe pass some advice from my experience. I am also here to buy sell and trade reptiles not to grade essays and english exams. So if you are looking to deal with a english major that just so happens to breed and sell reptiles well I guess I am not your man. Thank you for belittling me on this.
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It isn't that people are nit-picking you here, it is that people are attempting to make a point- one that you should really consider if you want to be in a professional business. There is NO excuse for misspelling now, with spell check a button away. For you to properly articulate yourself, including spelling, displays the fact that you ARE intelligent, patient and are willing to take the time out to ensure that everyone can understand you and what you are trying to get across. This is an area of self discipline and it only looks good on yourself as apposed to looking like someone who lacks the intelligence required to know what 'het for caramel' means. It is a required key to success and professionalism, which you so want. I myself, am NOT an English major- in fact, I have never gotten above a 3.2 in any of my English classes because I am so poor at it. Give me a math problem, and I am happy, give me an essay and I over analyze everything- ultimately ending with a very poorly written, hard to understand lengthy paper that no one in their right mind would want to read. BUT I DO understand how important it is to come across as an intelligent, able to articulate individual when:
a) I am trying to sell something. and
b) I am trying to make a point about something I feel passionately about. Lots of misspelling, grammatical errors and unclear sentences results in people not taking you seriously and provides the illusion that you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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