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SCALELESS Corn

StrangeCargo

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Hey Guys, It's Graham. I've been MIA for a while but decided (after answering another thread), I might as well post some fresh pics (taken by my friend Jason Sells and his awesome camera--lol, and not my $20 eBay crappy camera). We've downsized some animals/projects this past season to work on & expand some current projects.

First up is our adult female Scaleless Corn from BHB. Technically these are creamsicle corns. For anyone interested, below is the history (Copied & pasted) from Stephane, the french originator of the scaleless corn (sometimes this info is hard to dig up and gets lost online):
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"Scaleless Corn History

REPTILIS present the Scaleless corn story
We have chosen to dedicate a whole article to this new and incredible mutation.

In fact, I am certain it is the most important revolution in the Corn Snake world since 1961, the year when Dr Betchel has proven the genetic transmission of the albinos gene for this snake.

The first scaleless guttata was born in France in 2002, at a friend's, Richard.

Being the product of very improbable circumstances, he had the incredible luck to see the very first individual for this mutation. Once more, congratulations to you, Richard.

As for me, the project started in 2003, when I had the chance to get 3 possible het scaleless females amongst which 2 proved to carry the mutation. In 2005, the first scaleless Corn snakes couple with some heterozygous individuals joined my breeding center.

A year later, in 2006, we have reproduced our possible het females with our scaleless male and we thus obtained our first scaleless babies.

In 2007, our first scaleless female and het females were reproduced too, widening our breeders-to-be group.

The name 'scaleless' literally means 'scales reduction' rather than 'scale total absence'.

To this day, all the individuals in this mutation were born at the center or at Richard's, and keep a scale minimum.

They are mainly located on the belly, and sometimes on the back, at a trace state.

Just like typical forms, we can find great variations in both intensity and colors range and repartition.

Globally, for 'naked' snakes, the 'background' color varies from grey to orange, topped of darker spots (reddish often), bordered with light grey, or black.

Juveniles always have a blue-ish nose, that gets red when they grow old, a little like the hypo blood Corn Snakes.

At first sight, the patterns seem surprising, but this visual effect is undoubtedly linked to the scale deficience.

Still, the pattern resembles already existing variations in normal forms of guttata patterns. (normal, twisted, motley aspect...)

The main difference stands in the velvet looking aspect of the skin and makes touching it, an incomparable sensation. Wait till you get a scaleless in your hands, you will then experience the accuracy of this statement.

Note: the scaleless Corn Snakes shed just like any other snake, you just get a scaleless exuvia which is thinner. Their scaleless skin is composed of an external and internal layer

Some assertions saying these snakes suffer from having a raw skin is thus pure nonsense; we can compare the scaleless skin to that of the Leopard Gecko , the keeping of which demonstrates a reptile can have a smooth skin without undergoing any impairment or disability.

After 10 years experience, no keeping problem was observed in our group: sheds, growth, health and reproduction are perfectly normal for Corn Snakes.

As for the breeding, the means and results are identical to those used for usual pantherophis guttatus snakes.

On the first scaleless guttata individuals, the birth rate when reproducing scaleless X scaleless was rather low. These results are getting better with new generations.

But all the other associations, scaleless X het scaleless; het scaleless X het scaleless; scaleless X normal , have never encountered any difficulty.

Now, from a genetic point of view:

Successives births that occurred in the same lineage, and then, in other lineages, testify the obvious genetic aspect of this phenomenon.

Here's a real recessive gene, given there are 'scaleless' individuals and 'heterozygotous scaleless'. Besides, this extraordinary mutation has not revealed its entire potential yet, even if for two years now, we have had some answers' premises. Combinations with colors and patterns mutations are quite possible.

The first color combination was initiated at Richard's, in 2007. It was an albinos scaleless. Shortly after that, some anerythristic scaleless were born.

These snakes are really impressive, both because of their aspect and colors'effect.

These first two scaleless phases prove, if needed ,that we do have here a real upheaval amongst the Cornsnakes world, and after more than 50 years breeding them, we are only entering a new era in this emblematic species'mutations. "
 

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So Graham, what do they feel like? LOL:eek:

Terri

PS-Still sulking that you aren't going to the Arlington show. Paying the mortgage is over rated.
 
I always find it interesting how people can say the snakes don't suffer from it. I'll believe that as soon as proper stress hormone tests are done. Comparing them to other reptiles that don't have scales is a bit odd - leopard geckos are a completely different species. Even if they were to be compared, you'll find that leopard geckos have quite a number of known skin problems.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging people who keep these snakes. That's a decision people have to make for themselves. I just think people shouldn't be so quick to judge about what is right and what is wrong for animals without conducting proper research. I'd be more comfortable if people just said "hey, we don't really know the effects on the snakes, but so far they don't appear to be suffering from more health issues".

If you want to compare it to anything, compare it to humans who are born without fingernails. Among other things, the nails serve to protect our digits from injury. I could imagine snakes that have no scales being a lot more sensitive to bumping themselves or injuring themselves. I have no evidence to support this, but it would make sense in a way.

In any case, I do think they are stunning looking snakes. I hope that one day, we can prove that they don't experience any discomfort from their condition :)
 
I always find it interesting how people can say the snakes don't suffer from it. I'll believe that as soon as proper stress hormone tests are done. ...
I just think people shouldn't be so quick to judge about what is right and what is wrong for animals without conducting proper research. I'd be more comfortable if people just said "hey, we don't really know the effects on the snakes, but so far they don't appear to be suffering from more health issues".
...I hope that one day, we can prove that they don't experience any discomfort from their condition :)

It's impossible to prove a negative. People used to say corn's eyes suffered from amelanism. They shed, eat, and by all accounts, breed like any other snake. Would they seem well-equipped to survive in the wild? Of course not. But that does not mean that they "suffer" in any way.
 
Personally owning scaleless ratsnakes, I can say they behave no differently from other snakes. Just as with other hairless animals, yes they are a mutation and yes they would need protection from their natural environment, but just like other hairless animals, we bred them so it's our job to give them a more protected captive environment. I would put them on sharp rocks as a substrate, just as I wouldn't make my hairless cats and dogs stay outdoors without sun protection/winter coats. But back to topic, beautiful snake! I definitely look forward to any development with scaleless corns.
 
Wouldn't put them on sharp rocks I mean haha of course you probably knew that unless you think I'm a sadistic corn caretaker or something..
 
I wouldn't know if amels suffer from brighter lights or not, but I try to keep my own amel in a bit of a dimmed light environment where she can always find plenty of shelter :)

I'm not saying they are better or worse equipped to survive in the wild - that's out of the question here. Many of our captive-bred corns wouldn't stand a chance in the wild. To use my example from the previous post - would a human in the wild survive without finger nails? Maybe, maybe not. They survive in the conditions we've created for ourselves as a civilisation. They may not act much differently from any of us. Does that mean that they are not stressed out by their lack of nails? I don't know. With people, we can at least ask them if they are bothered by it, with snakes we can't. Sure, we can go by whether or not they survive and act differently, but is that an accurate measure? I don't know.

As for "not being able to prove a negative" - we CAN prove the absence of stress hormone. Of course that doesn't rule out every single thing, but at least it rules out major stress.

In any case, like stated in my previous post, I'm not trying to attack or offend anyone who keeps these snakes. I just hope we can all realize that we don't know exactly what we are doing to our captive snakes, especially the ones with altered physical traits.
 
These...are...so...NEAT! This is my first time every knowing of a scaleless cornsnake and first time ever seeing a picture of one. Super cool, thanks for sharing Graham!
 
I presume he's referring to testing for cortisol levels or some such.
 
Thanks guys for all the kind comments!

We've been breeding Scaleless Texas Ratsnakes for a few years now. There is no noticeable problems with them. They eat fine, shed fine, etc. We of course feed them only f/t rodents since they do not have scales to protect them from a rodent's bite... After seeing them in person, most people fall in love...their skin has a velvety feel... uber cool.

Here's some scaleless Texas Rats
 

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VERY cool! One of my favorite thing about them is the range of scales. Some are almost "micro-pave" and others are full on naked. I kind of like the warty Texas in the 4th pic best!
 
As for "not being able to prove a negative" - we CAN prove the absence of stress hormone. Of course that doesn't rule out every single thing, but at least it rules out major stress.

But even is the snakes exhibited elevated stress hormones, how could you attribute that to being scaleless? Maybe they don't like being in a bin. Maybe they don't like that substrate. Maybe the temperature is not to their liking by five degrees. Maybe they are hungry, or want a mate, or who knows what sort of stress snakes can have?
 
They feel like velvet. The breeder at Daytona let us handle them all. They are sooooooo cool.
 
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