Snakes aren't for me I don't think. I think I made a mistake

[Duff]

Plain and simple, you made a erroneous assumption, and went off on me. To the point of trying to belittle my character with your line about my not reading before posting. There is no way you can defend that as anything but baiting or inflammatory. And then, when I respond letting you know that my post wasn't directed at you, instead of apologizing for your erroneous assumption and the subsequent line-crossing, you continue going after me. I don't see any need on my part to point out specific quotes that I think crossed the line. My post was not a complaint to the mods about anyone, it was simply my opinion on the way some people were responding to the original post. Telling someone that their stated reason could not really be the reason is calling them a liar (that's saying they aren't telling the truth, get it).

The fact is, you are a moderator here and it is very hypocritical to see you warning others when you can be just as inflammatory and instigatory as anyone else. And just for the record, since I know you like to make it look like I'm jealous that you're a moderator, I'm not one bit. I have no desire to be one, but if I were, I would make sure not to post anything that would warrant a warning, or even come close to that line.

You don't have to worry about me running to Rich or the other mods, because I don't feel the need to bother anyone else with this. It has nothing to do with them, and I'm not looking for revenge or payback (I'm not that type of person). But I will make a point if I feel it should be made. Which is all I did, and without being instigatory or inflammatory toward anyone.

 

[Roy Munson]

Plain and simple, you made a erroneous assumption, and went off on me. To the point of trying to belittle my character with your line about my not reading before posting. There is no way you can defend that as anything but baiting or inflammatory. And then, when I respond letting you know that my post wasn't directed at you, instead of apologizing for your erroneous assumption and the subsequent line-crossing, you continue going after me. I don't see any need on my part to point out specific quotes that I think crossed the line. My post was not a complaint to the mods about anyone, it was simply my opinion on the way some people were responding to the original post. Telling someone that their stated reason could not really be the reason is calling them a liar (that's saying they aren't telling the truth, get it).

The fact is, you are a moderator here and it is very hypocritical to see you warning others when you can be just as inflammatory and instigatory as anyone else. And just for the record, since I know you like to make it look like I'm jealous that you're a moderator, I'm not one bit. I have no desire to be one, but if I were, I would make sure not to post anything that would warrant a warning, or even come close to that line.

You don't have to worry about me running to Rich or the other mods, because I don't feel the need to bother anyone else with this. It has nothing to do with them, and I'm not looking for revenge or payback (I'm not that type of person). But I will make a point if I feel it should be made. Which is all I did, and without being instigatory or inflammatory toward anyone.

Here's my problem with what you've done here: you make claims, but you won't provide evidence for them. Maybe this works for you generally, but it doesn't work for me, and particularly not when your claims involve me. Here are a few:

1. Regarding rule #7, lines have been crossed in this thread. When you first made this claim, I saw no evidence of it prior to your post.

2. I made an erroneous assumption. Only you know if this is really true and you've made no effort to convince me yet.

3. I try to belittle your character. You claim that the "posting before reading" line I used is an example. Here are my exact words: "I know you don't always read entire threads before responding to the portions that set you off, so I'll paste this here for you." What does your character really have to do with this quote? It might be a comment on how I've interpreted some of your posting, but I hardly attacked your character. Your claim is hyperbole (imo).

4. I'm a hypocrite because I'm as instigatory and inflammatory as anyone else, but I give out warnings. That's a bold claim to make without examples. If your premise is based on the things you've seen in this thread, then I can't agree with you, and you still haven't done anything to convince me. Your interpretations of events may not be the same as mine.

5. Quote: "And just for the record, since I know you like to make it look like I'm jealous that you're a moderator..." This one really blows my mind. Where did you come up with this? You've gotta give me examples of this one. I know I've never felt you were jealous. Your attacks on my modship have given me the impression that you don't like the fact that I was elected, but that's all I've ever thought about your actions. I can live with it.

There are others, but what's the point? We obviously see things differently. Big deal? If I thought I was a hypocrite, I would be unhappy about it. But I sincerely mean no offense when I say that your opinion on this matter means less to me than my own.

Asking you to back up your claims is not inflammatory or instigatory. I'm not going to continue with this in this thread. I understand if you want to reply to this post in this thread. But after that, we should take this to PM, or let it die.

 

[Duff]

You're obvisouly completely beyond reproach and can do no wrong, so I give up.


Guess I'll just have to do it manually.

 

[tricksterpup]

 

[Susan]

OK...I am requesting that any further conflict between Roy Munson and Duff be done so in private. And I feel that Glock's reason(s) for his decision to keep,sell or give away his snake is strictly his and not a matter for public discussion or theorization. A show of concern is one thing, but some of the theories that have been posted are out of line, IMO.

 

[jaxom1957]

What's the real reason?

There's a big difference between "basically calling them a liar" and calling them a liar.

In this case, I don't see much difference between the clear implication that he lied and calling him a liar. Asking for the "real" reason presupposes that the reason given wasn't real, ie: he must have lied. You may have meant to ask if there were other reasons that factored into the decision, but that wasn't what you posted. You called yourself a jerk, so I assumed you realized that your wording was less than polite. It was a contrast to your normally thoughtful posts.

 

[lalaith]

These are the sorts of questions that might be useful for prospective snake owners, or new owners struggling with the same issues (whatever they might be) that Glock is. And I think Roy's questions raise a number of issues that members of this forum should always be thinking about (and which Glock might or might not help us to address): Should we do more to encourage people who have fallen in love with the idea of owning a snake to actually experience snakes before they make the jump? To what extent does the corn snake market encourage people to jump into the hobby before they might be ready?

in my humble n00b opinion, you bring up many points i have been going over in my head. i want a snake, i like snakes, but do i just like the idea of a snake? can i really take care of the snake properly? These are the reasons why i am here on the forums. i want to learn more about corns.

Also, my initial response was that Glock's experience might telegraph to prospective snake owners that this is an expensive, time-consuming hobby, when it really isn't. At the very least, I think those of us on this forum need to make sure that new or prospective snake owners have an accurate view of what they're in for, and all of the questions raised on this thread seem to be in that spirit.

personally i know that im ok holding them, because my roommate has one, and i know im ok with getting bitten, because hey stuff happens. im just not sure i will get to 'exercise' the lil guy enough. You know what though? i think the worst case senario with me is that i love the lil guy too much. i remind myself of that cartoon chick Elvira.

it is good to know that people here are all about the snake. no one here would ever think of letting the snake loose outside, or abandoning it somewhere. i'm glad to know that people still care about their animals.

 

[Cuddles]

Haha, confrintations across forums are soo much fun! :sidestep:

 

[Nanci]

I think Dean asking for the "real" reason was legit. After all, Glock had _just_ been talking about his fear of being bitten, and showed concern for mice sharing freezer space with human food. Suddenly he claims to not have time for the snake that he spent weeks preparing for, then doting on when Rogue finally got here? Dean wasn't the only one to smell a rat, just the first to have the nerve to ask the question. We all wanted to know...

At any rate, it's all resolved now, as far as Glock and Rogue are concerned, which makes me very happy, because I was worrying about them both in my mother hen way that I can't help. The night he posted that, I agonized over what I could say to change his mind.

Nanci

 

[Nanci]

I find it pretty amazing the number of people who purchase a snake without ever having held one before, though, or even knowing if they are going to like handling one.

Nanci

 

[newsnakeowner1978]

I find it pretty amazing the number of people who purchase a snake without ever having held one before, though, or even knowing if they are going to like handling one.

Nanci

I never handled a snake until i bought Anubis but I wanted a snake since i was like 5 so i knew that I would never change my mind after i got one. Best pet I ever had ...... and gawd knows i had lots of pets. lol

 

[Kitty]

As an infrequent visitor these days, I hesitated to say anything.

I read a few of those first posts. Maybe Glock was gung-ho for a while. Nothing wrong with that. I believe someone pointed out the likely reason for him wanting to rehome Rogue - he doesn't like the feel of his skin. Read between the lines - Glock has some reluctance to handle Rogue that he's been unable to overcome. Rather than continue to avoid dealing with Rogue until the snake is neglected, he 'fesses up and starts looking for a home in the best place he has access to - a cornsnake enthusiast forum.

Admittedly, it is frustrating to have someone leap headlong into a passion and then change their mind. But can anyone honestly say they've -never- started something new (with or without enthusiasm), only to find it really wasn't their cup of tea?

In this instance there's a living creature involved to complicate things. But I believe Glock is "stepping up to the plate" and doing the right thing by looking for a better home for Rogue.

Several have mentioned not wanting a new/prospective owner to think this is an expensive, time-consuming hobby. What about leaving them with the impression of an intolerant, hostile community?

 

[Roy Munson]

As an infrequent visitor these days, I hesitated to say anything.

I read a few of those first posts. Maybe Glock was gung-ho for a while. Nothing wrong with that. I believe someone pointed out the likely reason for him wanting to rehome Rogue - he doesn't like the feel of his skin. Read between the lines - Glock has some reluctance to handle Rogue that he's been unable to overcome. Rather than continue to avoid dealing with Rogue until the snake is neglected, he 'fesses up and starts looking for a home in the best place he has access to - a cornsnake enthusiast forum.

Admittedly, it is frustrating to have someone leap headlong into a passion and then change their mind. But can anyone honestly say they've -never- started something new (with or without enthusiasm), only to find it really wasn't their cup of tea?

In this instance there's a living creature involved to complicate things. But I believe Glock is "stepping up to the plate" and doing the right thing by looking for a better home for Rogue.

Several have mentioned not wanting a new/prospective owner to think this is an expensive, time-consuming hobby. What about leaving them with the impression of an intolerant, hostile community?

And maybe for those of us who thought that there might be more to the story, this thread has justified our speculation and curiosity:

Rogue - good news

 

[Nanci]

It's ok, Kitty! They kissed and made up! Glock and Rogue are not getting divorced. Everyone has bad days and says things they don't mean.

Nanci

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

I'm confused

He said he wanted to get rid of the snake

since when is it ANYONE's business as to why?

If you can't help him find a home for his snake, or at least offer an answer to his question about price why even post in this thread?

Glock, if you found out, for whatever reason, that a snake isn't for you, you are doing the right thing by trying to find a home for it.
All this other bull s--- should just be ignored.
As for price..there were a couple of decent suggestions. Don't expect to make a profit just figure about what the snake and viv cost and offer them at a slightly discounted price. It will allow for two things...The snake will go to a new home and someone more willing to own a snake will get a decent deal.

You DO NOT owe anyone an explination

 

[Nanci]

Do you guys just not read any other threads???

Nanci

 

[Kitty]

Do you guys just not read any other threads???

Yes, I do. I saw the thread Roy/Dean linked. I don't believe it lessens the validity of anything Jimmy or I said.

 

[Roy Munson]

You DO NOT owe anyone an explination

Yes, I do. I saw the thread Roy/Dean linked. I don't believe it lessens the validity of anything Jimmy or I said.

That's true. The repetion of theme has not diminished the validity of the claim...

You don't owe me or anyone else an explanation.

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

been under the weather

been under the weather and just got back to this

Nanci said

Do you guys just not read any other threads???

What does that have to do with anything and who the heck are you?
Yes, I read the other thread, and as Kitty stated it does not change the validity of my post.
My question to you, Nanci, is simple...Did YOU read THIS entire thread?
can you explain to me where anything I said was not valid?

I see this way too much over here..too many people think THEY are owed an explination when they simply ARE NOT

 

[Nanci]

Don't get all pissy with me, Jimmy. He said he was keeping the snake, but some people are still going on and on and on about "not being owed an explanation."

Whatever. It's plain to see who cares about Glock and his snake, and who just wants to stir up trouble.

Oh, and BTW, if he didn't want input- he probably shouldn't be participating in a forum.

Nanci