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Strange Behavior

corngurl2011

Stacy Renee
Ok so the bf and I have 5 corns in a 75 gallon tank. They are all about a yr old or younger. The other day mine shed and now she/he is kinda bullying the others she just won't let them alone. It's like she/he is sniffing them out just to bug them. Why is she/he doin this? It's the first time this has happened. And I don't want to put her back in another tank by her/his self. What is goin on and what should I do??? Please I don't know what to do.
 
You do not have enough floor space for that many corns in one tank. Second, that one sounds like a male, who is now going to try to breed your females. Who could become egg-bound as they are physiologically ill prepared to have eggs. Who could then die. Because you didn't want to get individual tanks so that your PETS are SAFE.
 
I agree. It's up to you if you want to play with "It's not a problem until..." But if you see a problem, you should fix it, whether you prefer cohabbing or not. :/
 
Ok one its not that I don't have tanks. I didn't want to put them altogether to begin with. I was jus asking a freakin question.
 
I don't want to cohab.. I jus had a small tank and it seemed like copper was never growing when we put her in the big tank she grew like 6-8 inches.
 
So you don't want to separate, but you didn't want them together? Why are they in that tank then?

One of the BIG reasons we are against cohabbing is because of the incredible risk of early breeding for the female.

They need to be separated so that the males don't fight (which they will) and so that they don't breed the females (which they will)/
 
I think it's just a coincidental growth spurt... I don't believe in reptiles never outgrowing their tanks. If that were true perhaps we'd have miniature cattle and pigs with the way the food industry is. xD
 
Its likely that the one that just shed is now a male ready for the breeding season so he is bullying the females so he can entice them to mate with him. I would highly recommend separating them because his behavior will stress them out for one. Second, he will probably successfully breed with your females which at their young age, could cause them to get egg bound. I would use those other tanks for now because Im sure you dont want to risk stressing and/or causing the death of any of your snakes. Cohabbing is not recommended for many reasons, but this is the big one. Please separate them for their health and safety. You can always buy plastic storage tubs in the meantime, if you dont have the cash for larger tanks.
 
Before the people here tear you to bit, co-habbing is in general a bad idea. It doesn't allow you to monitor an animals poo/shed cycles, allows the possibility of spreading diseases like crypto and para. Virus easy, and the possibility of females being bred early is one of the greatest risks. I've never heard of male Cornsnakes fighting, but I won't get into that. I would suggest investing in a rack system. They are convienient, and very practical for someone with large numbers of reptiles. I keep everything in either racks or front opening displays. This allows you to manage each individual animal and allows them to feel much more secure than they would in a glass tank. I hope this helps you!
 
you shouldnt have 5 corn snakes if you dont have the proper "sized" enclosures for them all. i feel like someone needs to do a little more reading :p they have growth spurts just like teenagers, its nothing unusual unless youre keeping them all in like tiny little deli cups all their lives. even then theyll grow, just become extremely stressed, just like they probably are in the big tank all together.
 
Op, Didn't you state in another thread that you had learned enough from this site to not cohab your snakes? It seems as though you have decided to go against the general consensus on this page, and in the corn snake community (by which I mean reputable breeders and hobbyists) in order to get attention.
This may not be the case. You may have just thought "Hmmm.... I know the dangers, but I want to try it out for myself." or, "There are people who cohab and have never had problems... I guess I will try with my 5 snakes..."
My advice to you is either separate your snakes before they die of disease, stress, or unintended pregnancy. Or, find homes for them with people who actually want to care for the snakes, not just have a ball of snakes in a tank.

PS... You just asked a "freaking" question, and you got an answer, the answer that you already knew you were going to get. So do not get angry at the replies.
 
Also, I wanted to add. A reptiles enclosure does not dictate his size, on that note, neither does a fish's tank. It has been my experience that feedings, temperature, and genetics are the largest factors to whether or not your snake is growing. Case in point, I have an anery, who has been on a weekly feeding schedule since I got him... He is still rather small, but has recently hit a growth spurt and will soon catch up to other snakes his age. Part of the reason that he is still small is that I started brumating my snakes during the winter. Though they did all seem to grow a little, it was not much, and that has kept him smaller than others his age. Also, he was my first baby CS and I was not well read up on the feeding plans for them so for a while I was feeding him too small of a food item.
I agree with the person who stated that the growth spurt was coincidental. Attributing your snakes size to the size of the tank he was in is like stating that Nile Crocodiles in Zoo's should be 1/4th the size they are in the wild due to the fact that in the wild they have such a large area to roam. It just doesn't work that way. I can't tell you how many customers come into the store I work at and I have to tell them the same thing.
 
My little babies are all in a 10 gallon vivs at the moment and are growing just find. I do have one lil hypo that is low to grow but I think its just him. My boblings are growing like weeds.
 
I've never heard of male Cornsnakes fighting, but I won't get into that.

I've seen it. It's part of how I figured out that Dier was male. It's not a "bite each other and roll around" type of fighting, but the males will shove each other. At least, that's the start of it. Once I realised that was NOT mating-twitching, I quickly separated them.
 
I've never seen them fight, persay, but I too figured out a snake was male by pairing it with another male.

It was a ball python, and balls don't really do the whole thrashing around thing when courting, in fact I never hear them courting, unlike the corns. But I put my "female" pastel in with a mojo male, and all I heard was "bang bang bang bang!!" coming from the tub shortly after.

So I went to investigate. It never occurred to me that the pastel could be a male, even though it SHOULD have (HE goes on long feeding strikes, typical male behavior). Sure enough, I popped it and saw some penes.

So while they don't really "fight," they sure aren't too pleased about being in together.
 
I've had a similar accidental "introduction" and ended up with two (as it turned out) male Corns in a fully-locked ball of teeth, thrashing and hissing. I had to run them under a cold tap to make the dominant one let go.

For all I know, they might very well have put up with each other outside the breeding season. However it seems that when they were both fired up and ready for love, being anywhere near the wrong candidate ended messily!
 
It seems as though you have decided to go against the general consensus on this page, and in the corn snake community (by which I mean reputable breeders and hobbyists) in order to get attention.

Thanks for excluding so many European hobbyists and breeders from the corn snake community, Outcast. I do agree the poster needs to separate these snakes, but I cannot help that I feel the need to let the poster know that besides the American corn snake community with all the reputable breeders and hobbyists who prefer racks, there are so many European breeders whom co-hab in spacious, stimulating, decorated vivs (males with males if they show no sign of mating stress and females with females) and have no problems. Besides that, European hatchlings and juveniles are known for being large, and most breeders are not feeding on the Munson plan.

I have read about some cases on this forum where accidental pairings with juvenile females had a happy ending without any troubles, though egg binding in adult, non co-habbed females is not a very rare thing to happen, not even in the collection of these American, reputable breeders and hobbyists. Heck, I cannot even remember a case with a juvenile female being bred accidentally and getting egg bound. Over here on the equivalent of Craig's list I have seen soooooo many ads with 2, 3 or 4 year old co-habbed corn snake couples being sold, stating they have produced hatchlings for 1 or 2 years in a row. So far I have not seen statistics showing that egg binding happens more often in immature females either. I do agree it is best to avoid it just to let the female grow longer before having her first clutch, but let not preach the American way to be the one and only and ignore the reality and experiences of people doing it diffferently.

I know I'm gonna be flamed most probably, but I felt addressed so I spoke up.
 
Thanks for excluding so many European hobbyists and breeders from the corn snake community, Outcast. I do agree the poster needs to separate these snakes, but I cannot help that I feel the need to let the poster know that besides the American corn snake community with all the reputable breeders and hobbyists who prefer racks, there are so many European breeders whom co-hab in spacious, stimulating, decorated vivs (males with males if they show no sign of mating stress and females with females) and have no problems. Besides that, European hatchlings and juveniles are known for being large, and most breeders are not feeding on the Munson plan.

I have read about some cases on this forum where accidental pairings with juvenile females had a happy ending without any troubles, though egg binding in adult, non co-habbed females is not a very rare thing to happen, not even in the collection of these American, reputable breeders and hobbyists. Heck, I cannot even remember a case with a juvenile female being bred accidentally and getting egg bound. Over here on the equivalent of Craig's list I have seen soooooo many ads with 2, 3 or 4 year old co-habbed corn snake couples being sold, stating they have produced hatchlings for 1 or 2 years in a row. So far I have not seen statistics showing that egg binding happens more often in immature females either. I do agree it is best to avoid it just to let the female grow longer before having her first clutch, but let not preach the American way to be the one and only and ignore the reality and experiences of people doing it diffferently.

I know I'm gonna be flamed most probably, but I felt addressed so I spoke up.

I will not flame you. You bring up a good point, many people cohab successfully, I have seen some successful cohabitation set ups here in the states. But, those were by organizations that could afford very large enclosures.

Most of the European Viv's that I have seen pictures of are larger than a 75 gallon aquarium. And the people who keep those, from what I have read, keep a keen eye out for abnormal behavior.

I was only speaking from the experiences that I have read of from the majority of this page, which most here are from the U.S. So that is where the general consensus of this forum comes from. And, since I do not know any European breeders, or know many people who have dealings with them, I cannot speak for the reputation. I should have stated "reputable U.S. keepers,"

Also, most U.S. citizens that I know of would not spend enough money to set up a large Viv that could safely house multiple corn snakes, in order to reduce stress and allow the snakes to escape from each other in case they need to.

Many people, like the OP, get a lot of babies, put them all together and expect everything to go perfectly fine.

In all honesty it kind of reminds me of when a co-worker of mine told me that her boyfriend was a mechanic so he knows everything about cars. Yet, he hooked up a new speaker system in their vehicle and did not use any electrical tape. Two days later, a fire started under her seat (where he balled the wires up and tossed them) when she hit a bump on her way to work.

There wasn't a problem, until there was. And, that problem could have been avoided with proper care to cover the open ends of the wires. The problem the OP faces is essentially the same, except her life is not the one that is on the line. It is that of her pets, which she "loves" too much to separate them...
 
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