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They like each other

And I don't think what has helped this thread and why you may feel people are being "mean" is no offense but you have quite a childish and hostile "I'm not listening and I don't give a crap what all of your say because your all just out to get me" attitude and its giving you really bad feedback, you'd only gotten TWO civil but instantly concerned replies and you instantly went into the defensive and started putting down the forum...............not exactly a good way to go about it.
 
Taryn7 said:
But they aren't going to eat each other! I'm not the first person to have done this and Im definitely not the last..
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You're right, you're not the first person, and you DEFINITELY won't be the last. And every single person, repeat: EVERY SINGLE PERSON, that has ever had cannabalism occur has said: "But they aren't going to eat eachother!"

My attitude doesnt suck - I'm just tired of hearing the same thing over and over again when I have said 30 times that they will se separated very soon - why cant we leave it a that.
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How about we try a little experiment? Do a search for "cohab". Particularly take a look at threads which show actual acts of cannibalism, and past threads started by people who cohab. I particularly think this thread is relevant, because the snakes were in transport and were only being kept together for a short time.

If you think you're tired of hearing that cohab is a bad idea, just think of how tired everyone else is of saying it. You'll also notice in those threads that no one is being mean to you by any standards. In fact, people are saying they understand your situation, because EVERYONE has money concerns, and if you didn't get an attitude, it wouldn't be a big deal.
 
How does one actaully know the snakes are stressed at being together?

They cant talk - so how would we know?
 
Taryn7 said:
Ya - but how do we know that my 3 are at this point - stressed?
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My previous comment pretty much answers this question. Decades of pet owners, breeders and herpetologists observing them in captivity and the wild(AKA research).

I really just think you're looking for a pat on the head and approval/blank cheque for doing something you know is wrong(and compounding it by chucking another snake into the mix). I see it in every pet forum and community I'm a member of, just like people who think it's "cute" to let their cats around birds or rodents because they "like" each other. You could have avoided any disapproval AND gotten a thumbs up if you had seperated ASAP and then told people about fixing your problem.

I don't even HAVE my first snake yet and I know cohabbing is bad.
 
But I'm asking how you know they are STRESSED...

That little guy was hungry.. And the case of cannibalism in corn snakes is extremely rare - as stated in that link - it was his first ever case..v
 
Ok this is getting really old - how many times must I say they are BEING SEPERATED.

I just want to know these things - there is no harm in asking.

And I am not seperating them because I'm worried about them being eaten or even stress. I am seperating because I want to know he is popping and when they do. Otherwise I'd keep them together.
 
Classic signs of young corns stressed and fighting for dominance is constant twitching around each other. My first 2 juvie corns were cohabed, against sound advice and better judgment from people on this forum. Guess what, they were right. No my corns didn't eat each other but they were competing for dominance and as such one was smaller as he took longer to digest because the largest male wouldn't allow him to sit on the heat for long enough. You need to notice the little things to realise that a snake is stressed. Afterall, they show so little signs so any different or strange behaviour is an obvious sign there is someting wrong.

Nuff said. I won't lecture you too, just sharing my bad experience with cohabing...
 
They are stressed because research has proven that...even though cohabbing has been done successfully in the past it is a risk that most owners would never even dream of taking...and that is why everyone is so concerned here.

Say someone came on here and said 'I swing my snake around by its tail, but it's still eating and shedding fine and doesn't seem to have any problems. I just thought I would share my sweet story about how much my corn loves to be swung around by me'. I'm quite sure you wouldn't be happy about that. These animals are capable to adapting to their surroundings which is why they have adapted so readily to captivity...which is why your snakes, as small as their brain capacity is, are making the best out of a pretty bad situation.

You've come on here and said you understand the risks and thats why you are seperating them. Now you've just said "I am not seperating them because I'm worried about them being eaten or even stress". Make your mind up.

And just because I want to, I'm going to throw a whole new idea in because I think your attitude has been that bad. You got these snakes at different times, different ages...did you quarantine them?
 
Taryn7 said:
Ya - but how do we know that my 3 are at this point - stressed?
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I'm no expert, but to me the biggest indicator is that this "liking each other" has never been observed in the wild. It is not a natural behavior, not something happy free corn snakes do. Dogs run in packs, rabbis warrens, cats colonies. Snakes do not seem to need or want any social interaction if they have any choice in the matter.

then you have all the cons (eating eachother, sickness, breeding too young) that everyone has covered, and ya, this site isn't so friendly toward people who post about how omgcute it is their snakes "like each other". It's poor planing, poor husbandry, and you put your pets at risk. No one here will respect that.
 
If you read it properly - I said I am not seperating because I think they may eat each other, I AM seperating because of the poop issue. So I am still seperating..

Yes, the breeders quarantined for me for 6 weeks, I asked them to
 
I understand you are seperating them. I think the point that you are going to seperate them at some time, whenever the rack happens to get finished is clear.
However, the reason for your attitude isn't.
My first response was decent. I told you about the views of this forum etc. I also wished you luck with your snakes....and my post was replied to with a sleeping smiley...because that's mature...*rolls eyes*
Well done for having them quarantined, however I'm under the impression that 60-90 days is the usual time...mostly on the higher end of the scale.
 
susang said:
Joe don't you see it's us who isn't doing the reading she didn't ask for advice. I have no idea why anyone offers help or advice on this forum, uless we word it exactly as the OP chooses we are bad, evil people, bashing the poor newbie (well in this case she has expereince).
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Taryn7 said:
I agree

Clever hey
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Taryn you think I was agreeing with you, but NOT, "tongue in cheek" thing, or you might say "thumbing my nose" at you.
I do think you knew the reasons to not co-hab and didn't need to learn them from everybody here, your cheeky answer like "big enough" and "ghost,...,...,...," said it all. Then you graced us with your pictures and backed down with the 'tude. It didn't take long for it to come back though. I think you weren't the only one with insomnia. I think you should have accepted the advice and stopped there instead of telling us how to talk to you. Calling us bad people especially Lenny and Jen who said nothing offensive.
I'll have to agree with other Susan when something goes wrong some of us will sit back and laugh. Before you jump the no ones perfect band wagon, I make mistakes everyday if I ask for help I listen and accept what I can or ask more questions, but maybe this is a maturity thing, gawd knows at my age I should be mature (???) or not.
 
It wasnt your post replied to with a sleepy smilie - it was the whole thread because I keep having to say the same thing over and over,,

And I repeat again - it will be here between now and 2 weeks max
 
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