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Toffee...another dominant trait?!

JimGERcream

German efficiency
In 2008, a german breeder noticed some odd looking „butter stripeds“ from a caramel striped line he bought from the german breeder Thomas Schauß. He called these odd butter stripeds „Auratum“. These weirdos popped out in another german breeders place. Sabine Bergmann, who got her Caramel Striped pair also from Thomas Schauß in 2006, noticed some odd butters and butter stripeds, when she paired this „Caramel Striped“ to Caramel Bloodred and Butter Striped.

Here are pics,

one of Auratum Striped (= Amel Toffee Striped)
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and one of Toffee Striped, sadly just a juvenile one
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This is offspring from Toffee Striped het Amel x Caramelbloodred het Amel:
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mother: http://s7.directupload.net/images/110625/ppew2cld.jpg

1.0 Toffee het Amel Anery Caramel Bloodred Striped, proven NOT hom. Caramel!
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1.0 Auratum het Anery Caramel Bloodred Striped
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Since then, these weird darker coloured butters were called „Auratum“, because the breeders wanted to make sure, that others don’t think these are regular butters. In the past 3 years, a lot of breeders crossed their "Auratums" into other lines, some of them used lines without caramel. But when clutches hatch, there were again „caramels“ in the clutches! There were other breedings, for example „Caramel“ het amel blood striped x Butter Snow Motley, which produced normal looking animals instead of 100% caramels. Toffee x Toffee parings produced partly normals, beside those caramel lookalikes. Some breeders had the idea, there has to be some kind of dominant trait in this lineage, which produces a nice chocolate brown phenotype. Most of the Auratums were bred to Caramels in the past, so this fact wasn’t clearly evident.

This year the german breeder Thorsten Grassner bred an Toffee het Anery Caramel Amel Blood Striped“ to a Jasper County locality female without any hets. He got 9 Toffees and 11 Normals.

comparison of Toffee and Normal from Toffee x Normal (Jasper Co. locality) breeding

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The breeders Marcel Woyack, Benjamin Blum and Sabine Bergmann had the same experience: There are strange caramel lookalikes in EVERY pairing with Auratum line „Caramels“, no matter if the counterpart had caramel in it or not. So it became more and more clear, that these odd „Butter“ Stripeds were in fact the amelanistic version of this suspected, now isolated dominant trait.

All german breeders with „Auratum“ experience decided together to call the trait „Toffee“. We already chose the name „Toffee“ for our lineage because we have an established name for the amel version here in germany for years and don‘t want to speak of „auratum without amel“ when we talk about that gene.

There’s a possibility, this gene already exists for 10 years in the netherlands. The dutch breeder Jan Notté discovered a dominant trait, called „Buf“, which showes similarites to our german „Toffees“. Such as both are dominant, both are VERY similar as hatchlings, some of the adults look pretty similar, but there are also other Bufs, which look pretty different. These two genes might be one and the same, but this is unproven until now. Testbreedings are necessary. Until it's proven, we split both lineages in the dutch "Buf" lineage and the german "Toffee" lineage.
 
Wow... seems as if there is really less to no interest for that gene here in this place. I wonder why?

- it's dominant
- it's more or less new
- it costs a fraction compared to Tessera

...normally I'd assume a big WOW from most people, similar to the first Tessera post...seem's as if I'm wrong. Strange. :confused:
 
I think lots of people here still don't believe in the buff gene, and consider the toffee to be the same.
I might be wrong though...
 
that means most people believe lots of german breeders with years of experience see something where in reality isn't anything?

I can tell you I wouln't post something like that when I'm not sure this is a real new thing. At least the pictures should put them right :shrugs:
 
lol... it's a "new" dominant! gene and there are more differences to "buf" then similarities...
only the hatchlings look (on some pictures) similar and the reason they're both dominant! ;)
 
Wow... seems as if there is really less to no interest for that gene here in this place. I wonder why?

- it's dominant
- it's more or less new
- it costs a fraction compared to Tessera

...normally I'd assume a big WOW from most people, similar to the first Tessera post...seem's as if I'm wrong. Strange. :confused:

I'm sorry! I was busy with my first hatchlings of the year, including a very special unexpected surprise! I saw this thread, glanced in, thought OMG what a beautiful snake, I know I will need to have my wits about me when I read this, not be thinking about pippies, because although I have a _way_ better understanding of auratum than I do of buf (which IMO has been clearly proven) I am still not 100% confidant of my understanding. I'm _definitely_ interested!!
 
Okay- "toffee" is the "weird caramel," and auratum is amel toffee, the "different" butters??
 
No need to apologize Nanci, I just wondered why there wasn't a single reaction to this excited topic.

Okay- "toffee" is the "weird caramel," and auratum is amel toffee, the "different" butters??

exactly. that's the reason why it was so hard to detect. this gene was floating around in caramel lines and there were no strange results when you pair it to caramel stuff. the questions started when normals hatched from "caramel" x "caramel" (today we know it was a toffee x toffee pairing) and from caramel x noncaramel. weird caramels popped out in EACH clutch where toffee was involved. I believe Thorsten Grassners pairing Toffee x normal proved the dominant inheritance. There are still some toffee project clutche son the ground which will verify his result this season.
 
I really like the plain Toffees. It's a really beautiful color, I can't wait to see the Toffee Stripe when it is grown up. I hope there are some available in the USA in the coming years! :) Great find, congratulations!
 
Maybe because the difference compared to other morphs is less then in case of Tessera, people are not that excited? That's maybe why you priced them lower too? It looks like a lovely new color though!

Think of the dilute gene by the way; even less difference compared to other morphs, not many people got interested.
 
:shrugs: could be. I'm just surprised about the zero resonance because although they look a bit similar to caramel, it's still DOMINANT! I thought that feature would be enough to get some interest. :shrugs:

maybe the masses freak out when we show the first high end super combo with toffee - we're working on that hahaha :laugh01:

maybe we should give a shot on toffee tesseras... dominant gene two times...and maybe a goody in first generation :crazy02:
 
Just saw the thread and I must say, I really like the morph. Is anyone in the states working with these? I especially like the auratum striped. Congrats on them all.
 
I believe there is no KNOWEN Toffee in the states atm, but you never know. Toffee popped up in an ordinary caramel lineage, so who knowes what else is hidden in other lines.

This year, there might be a possibility to get some via Hamm show, but I really don't know for sure. I'd bet next year, there will be some available.

I personally don't own any, but my mate Benni does. I'll step into that gene next year with a pretty cool project :dancer:
 
When I first opened this I thought, "meh, just another muddled caramel looking gene". But I actually really like the nice smooth brown tones of the normal saddled "toffee", very exquisite.
 
When I first opened this I thought, "meh, just another muddled caramel looking gene". But I actually really like the nice smooth brown tones of the normal saddled "toffee", very exquisite.

All the variations are very pretty, to me. And the whole gene seems simple to recognize and understand.
 
I also really like the look of the Toffee. Not a huge fan of amel and it looks too much like a butter to me (not saying it is a butter, but I dont like the butter look). I think "exquisite" is the perfect word to describe this morph. I would be very interested in seeing what this trait mixed with another dom trait (tesserra, ultramel) would create!

Also, are their any Toffees without the caramel gene out there? To see if having a caramel het has any influence on the phenotype of a Toffee.
 
I like the look. But if this gene was dominant would not all of the offspring from the jasper co. Locality be toffee or did I miss something (like normal)?

I don't doubt its a new morph(look) but I still think its origin and heritage needs to be explored or explained a bit more in depth. It is exciting and I can't wait to see what new possibilities await using this look.
 
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