"Trundlefart" Replacement Name Suggestions

[anerybree]

I like Medley, and Mosaic! I know nothing about the gene part of it, but if the name does have to change, I like those two.

 

[Rich Z]

To give credit where credit is due, I think the first person who coined that term was Clint Boyer, in this post back in 2002:

This is an issue that all aspiring breeders should take note on.

This is all based on my opinion and I'm sure there will be some disagreement, but hey, that's how problems are resolved.

When does a different looking snake deserve a new name and who gets to name it? And how different does it have to be?

First, in my opinion, any form of new morph should be proven. I can see no sense in naming a morph if you can't reliably reproduce it.

Second, it should be common knowledge as to what went into making the animal. If Joe Shmoe comes up with a Chartreuse checkerd T- reverse amel and calls it a Green Demon and Helen Yellowwheels wants to make her own from scratch, she should know what goes into the mix of a Green Demon to do so. Otherwise, any snake that looks like a Green Demon could be called such. If you can't prove it's something new by divulging it's heritage then it shouldn't get it's own name. Whether it's a new gene, simple recessive or selectively bred it should be made known. Otherwise anyone can say theirs is a Green Demon and they wouldn't have to prove it or stand behind it.

Third, it should be more then just the normal variation within an already established morph. If Ralph produces his first clutch of mutated snakes and has never seen the odd speckled one, he should not call it something new until he finds out for sure that it's not a normal variation of that mutation. One clutch is not enough to make that call. Agian, varification!

Fourth, how different does it have to be? Well, some people have a better eye then others. There may be some very subtle differences that are reproducable and the originator just has to convince the general public.

OK, enough on that. So who gets to name it?

Simple enough, the originator. Right? Not so fast! That may sound like the correct way to do it but the new morph name game is not the simple. It's really up to who comes up with the most accepted name. I may call my new creation a Trundlefart but another person who has bought snakes from me also names my creation a Golden Lace. As the morph becomes popular, people use the catchy, cool sounding name. What am I to do? Correct everyone who uses the wrong name? So now I'm the only one calling them Trundlefarts and no one will buy them from me, "But I'm the creator!" Oh well, I guess I'm outvoted!
Not much you can do about general consensus!

My .02

 

[Tom Tuttle]

It isn't wrong. The motley gene is dominant over stripe, just as normal is to motley. We say normal het motley, and we should also say motley het stripe. It's a genetically accurate term.

Exactly! Just as normal is dominant to any gene other than tessera.

Tom did I stir the pot, with my comment on your striped snake?

Not at all, I knew you were joking. The pinstripe in the post is 100% motley.

It is suffice to say this entire thread is due to 2 mods not liking the term trundlefart.

People ARE using the term in for sale ads. I'm sorry, but to me, it sounds stupid.

I have on occasion used Trundlefart (mostly in jest) in ads & will continue to when I feel like it. Somewhere in the ad it will point out that they are carriers of motley/stripe.

What you should see, assuming the percentages ever come out even, when breeding a het motley/stripe to a het motley/stripe are as follows-

25% stripe/stripe
25% motley/motley
50% het motley AND stripe (phenotype will be motley)

Hmmm Using the MP genetic calculator motleyxstripe breeding to motleyxstripe gives you the following results:

Genotype:
75% Motley 66% het stripe
25% Stripe

Phenotype

75% Motley
25% Stripe

 

[Tom Tuttle]

To give credit where credit is due, I think the first person who coined that term was Clint Boyer, in this post back in 2002:

Thanks Clint!!

 

[Nanci]

Why is my opinion singled out just because I'm a mod? Plenty of other people also dislike the term.

NOTHING PERSONAL.

 

[Tom Tuttle]

Why is my opinion singled out just because I'm a mod? Plenty of other people also dislike the term.

NOTHING PERSONAL.

It's funny Nanci, You posted your feelings about trundlefart on my thread, shortly before Susan started this thread. Now you ask why?

I know it's nothing personal but it's a hell of a coincidence in the timing.

Why are you feeling singled out?:shrugs:

 

[Nanci]

Oh, so you think there's a Trundelfart conspiracy? Susan and I had not discussed it pror to her posting this thread.

I'm feeling singled out because you said two mods didn't like the term, and I feel pretty confident I'm one of them.

Whatever. If it makes you happy to call them that, then do so. It's not worth ruining a friendship over.

 

[Rich Z]

Why is my opinion singled out just because I'm a mod? Plenty of other people also dislike the term.

NOTHING PERSONAL.

Just for the record, I don't like it neither. And if I still had corn snakes, I would NEVER, EVER call any of mine by that name. Regardless of the rest of the world accepting it and it became a common household word.

 

[Susan]

It's beginning to look as if no matter what terminology is used, someone is going to be confused. Those that "get it" will need to explain it to others for all time. "Motley/Stripe" needs to be filed in the same cabinet as "Cohabitation", "Live vs. F/T" and put in the folder next to "What do those numbers mean?" And the weird thing, I honestly think more people understand ultra, amel and ultramel better than motley, stripe and motley/stripe. :shrugs:

 

[MindsEyeExotics]

I agree it is and will always be confusing for a lot of people..I think the more names that have nothing to do with motley or stripe that are used, the worse the problem is going to be. It's simply one of those things that if you are only casually into corns you aren't really going to get. I'm sure plenty of motley/stripes get sold as 'stripes' at shows and such and the people buying them don't care or give a second thought to it. I also think trudlefart is rather unprofessional, but it's become such a big deal now that it's just funny and probably being made to stick in our brains more..

 

[fyrefocks]

Tom, that's just a different way to put my percentages. Think about it, 75% of the clutch is motley 66%ph stripe. That means that 2/3 of that 75%, which is 50% of the whole clutch, is het motley and stripe. Corncalc and I both said the same thing, just differently.

 

[LGRIGG]

I would like to propose using the name "pastiche" (definition; a work of art formed from disparate sources).

While I've always enjoyed a good fart joke, I'm not fond of referring to something beautiful as "anything fart". I like pastiche(i'm an artist http://www.freewebs.com/theblueladybug/ as well as a confirmed critter lover.) and I also like quilt. I hope the fart name will change. Lynn

 

[dave partington]

trun·dle (trndl)
n.
1. A small wheel or roller.
2. The motion or noise of rolling.
3. A trundle bed.
4. A low-wheeled cart; a dolly.

Fart is an English language onomatopoeia, most commonly used in reference to flatulence. The word "fart" is generally considered unsuitable in formal situations as it may be considered vulgar or offensive. Fart can be used as a noun or a verb. The immediate roots are in the Middle English words ferten, feortan or farten, kin of the Old High German word ferzan. Cognates are found in old Norse, Slavic and also Greek and Sanskrit. The word "fart" has been incorporated into the colloquial and technical speech of a number of occupations, including computing.

I agree, trundlefart isn't a flattering name, but I think I like this Clint guy.

Hope this helps to clear the air. :sidestep:

 

[LGRIGG]

trun·dle (trndl)
occupations, including computing.
blahblahblah....


Hope this helps to clear the air. :sidestep:

You are so clever...Yeah, you're funny too lol!!!!

 

[Tom Tuttle]

trun·dle (trndl)
n.
1. A small wheel or roller.
2. The motion or noise of rolling.
3. A trundle bed.
4. A low-wheeled cart; a dolly.

Fart is an English language onomatopoeia, most commonly used in reference to flatulence. The word "fart" is generally considered unsuitable in formal situations as it may be considered vulgar or offensive. Fart can be used as a noun or a verb. The immediate roots are in the Middle English words ferten, feortan or farten, kin of the Old High German word ferzan. Cognates are found in old Norse, Slavic and also Greek and Sanskrit. The word "fart" has been incorporated into the colloquial and technical speech of a number of occupations, including computing.

I agree, trundlefart isn't a flattering name, but I think I like this Clint guy.

Hope this helps to clear the air. :sidestep:

:laugh01: Thats funny Dave!