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Two hatchlings that need a morph ID

Did you check the sexes yourself? Always a good idea. Anyone can make a mistake, so I ALWAYS check for myself, whether I am buying from my best friend, or the biggest, best known breeder in the world.

Although the colors may not look exactly the same in real life as in the photos, most hatchling female lavs I have seen were not as colorful as yours. I would double check just to make sure you don't have a pair of males. If sexed correctly, she is very nice!
 
They look like hypo lavenders to me, but I agree with Kathy, double check their sex as female lavender-based morphs do tend to be darker than the males and not quite as colorful. In fact, had you not identified which was which, I would have called the male "female" and vice versa. And it sure looks like they have masque, which may or may not indicate the bloodred gene in het form.
 
Hey Kathy!

I did not check them myself - I haven't done it before tbh so I'm kinda scared of trying for the first time on these guys, I don't want to hurt them. The pics are very accurate she(?) is beautiful. I love her pink cheeks. I'll get somebody who is more experienced to sex them when I get a chance.
 
Here is a link to my 2, one minute (free) sexing videos. Of course, it is always better to have an experienced person help you do it the first time. Be sure to have them show you, and then do it yourself while they are there to help. It is a skill you will need if you plan to breed. But get it done one way or the other, and soon. You will either have peace of mind if they are correct, or more time to decide what to do about it if the are wrong.

Good luck!
 
I'll get it done soon Kathy, and get some lessons while I'm at it.

So now it seems like they are probably either lavenders or hypo lavenders?? They could be different morphs for all I know. I can tell that their eyes are pretty different from each other now that I see the close up pics. They are very wiggly so it was hard to examine them in person. I also just noticed that the markings on the second snake's head look like a scary jack'o'lantern face.
 
ohhhh guys these are too cute >.<. i never saw my lars as a hatchling, though i wish i had! i would also guess ghost based on the appearance comparison.
 
Wow, those could be several things to be quite honest, and it doesn't seem that what the guy told you is really 100% dependable by any means either from what I understand. Also, lavenders and hypo lavenders can vary a good bit in their phenotypic expression, and it is real tough(to impossible) to be able to accurately identify a real light lavender from a darker hypo lavender. Even their eyes can have different looks to them too. Also, as previously mentioned by others, there is some sexual dimorphism to consider too.

I've seen lavender ghosts that look virtually identical to those too, and also had deep ruby eyes.

Just real hard to put your finger on exactly what those guys are, but my best guess would probably be real light lavenders that have ruby eyes as opposed to darker ones, but who really knows.

However, I will also say that the peachy-orange coloration is more indicative of hypo lavenders, rather than lavenders..LOL!

Do you have a coin you could flip?..HAHAA!!

Yep!, it can be very confusing at times with some of the morphs, no doubt about it... :crazy01:


~Doug
 
K. Rene

K. Rene said:
From those pics I'd say both are ghosts, they look like my ghost did when I first got him (first 3 pics) the last pic is what he looks like now days
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Are you absolutely CERTAIN that your snake there is a ghost? Because every single little characteristic I see in that particular animal looks like a definite ultramel/anery instead of a ghost. There were also MANY of those sold for years unknowingly as very high-end looking ghosts.

The extremely pale saddle blotching as well as the rest of the patterning, the very strong yellow coloration on the chin and neck(even though ghosts can also display yellow there), and the very distinctive bluish/gray irises and ruby-red eyes all are very indicative of an ultramel/anery phenotype.

Do a google image search and you will see exactly what I mean...........most of the ultramel/anery's you will see look EXACTLY like yours. I also personally know a guy who very unknowingly sold slews of them for 6 years as top-shelf ghosts until he accidentally discovered through a breeding trial that they were actually ultramel/anery's.


best regards, ~Doug
 
So I couldn't find anyone around here to pop these guys for me so I tried doing it myself. However, the "male" went blue a few days ago and is in the clear phase now so I didn't check him, I'm waiting til after he sheds. I will also get more pictures of him if he looks any different. I did try to pop the one who was sold as female and nothing came out, so it appears that the gender of that one may actually be female.

On a side note, the tessera was sold to me as a male but I could not get any hemipenes to come out of it -- I hope I'm just doing it wrong. I did get a previously unsexed nonfeeder normal to pop male though. I'm very confused now lol. It seems to me that if a snake was sold as male then the sexing is much more likely to be correct than if it is sold as female, so I wasn't really worried about the tessera.

Any comments/advice on all this? Is it sometimes really hard to get the penes to come out of a male? All of these snakes are around 2 months old by the way.
 
Alright I got a lesson on sexing and confirmed that the female is actually a female and the male is actually a male. Also (good news!) the tessera is a male.

The person who I had take a look at the female in person also said she looked like a hypo lavender. The male completed his shed and doesn't look much different, except that he might have lost a little of his pinkness. I'm not sure if he actually changed at all, he just seems really dull an brown after looking at his sister.
 
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