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Unexpected results

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ruggerboi

Monster Under Your Bed
This year I paired my ghosts together, obviously expecting to get ghosts from them. Most of the babies, however, look nothing like the parents did as hatchlings. They are much darker and to me do not look like ghosts. I know there is a lot of variation within morphs, and that hypo x hypo = all hypo, but I was hoping to get the opinions of those with a bit more experience. This is an example of what most of the babies look like:

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Both the parents are also apparently het amel since I also got this snow from the clutch:

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Then there is a mystery baby that looks just like my blizard did when she was a hatchling:

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This one is the one that looks most like a ghost out of the whole clutch, and unfortunately it has some kinks.

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Can someone help me figure out what is going on here? Thanks!
 
That's what I was thinking, but I'm still confused about the hypo thing. Is the first baby I posted what a hypo charcoal looks like?
 
I don't think both your ghosts are actually ghosts then. Could you show us the parents? Liam, up until about 2 months ago could have passed for a darker ghost. Now he's heading towards very dark anery. It could be that one of yours is a light anery that stayed that way instead of darkening up. Do you know who the breeder of your pair was?
 
Here's the dam:

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And here's the sire:

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If one or both is only anery, then they are extremely light anerys. These pics are a bit old, but the colors are accurate.
 
What you just might have are ghosts het charcoal amel. If that's the case, the darker babies look like charcoals to me, and the nearly patternless white snake is either a blizzard, or COULD be a Powder. But it looks like it has a bit of pattern, so it'd most likely be a blizzard.
 
But ghosts are homo hypo, so shouldn't all the offspring be hypo? The dark ones don't seem to be hypo, and that's whats really throwing me off.
 
I would double check that you couldn't have mixed up any clutches, because those charcoals are decidedly not phantoms. Has the female been bred to any other males? I would also plan, next year, to put both parents to for sure homozygous hypos.
 
She was a hatchling when I got her and this is her first year breeding. Seems like I may have a bit of a mystery on my hands.
 
I couldn't mix up the clutches since I only had 2 breeding females this year, and the other was a sunglow mot. I also don't have any breedable animals right now with the charcoal gene, as far as I know. I think I may need to breed a baby back to a parent.
 
More to say that what you apparently have is a genetic impossibility. One of those parents can't be homozygous hypo otherwise *all* of the offspring would be homozygous hypo.
 
Shiari said:
More to say that what you apparently have is a genetic impossibility. One of those parents can't be homozygous hypo otherwise *all* of the offspring would be homozygous hypo.
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That's what I thought! Now I'm really confused.
 
I really don't understand genetics very well, but could one of the parents be homo Ultra? Or some other Hypo like gene that would make it look like a Ghost but wouldn't match up with the other parent's Standard Hypo? Just a thought.
 
If one of the parents was an ultramel charcoal het anery and the other was anery (or ghost) het blizzard you could get those results. Look at the pic of the ultramel charcoal from VMS Herps and see what you think. Definitely interesting though.

~Katie
 
I, too, wonder if there's some ultra in there. I bred my snow to a "ghost" a few years ago and got all "ghosts". So I thought my snow was homo hypo. Bred him to a different ghost and got all anerys. I was stumped.

Only thing that made sense was that the original ghost was actually an ultramel anery, so I produced all ultramel anerys that w/o knowing it looked like ghosts.

So if you had an ultramel anery or even if both were ultramel anery, that could explain the lack of hypos and the amels showing up. Then I think that they're also both het charcoal as those eyes SCREAM charcoal, and the "blizzard" isn't just a snow.
 
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