Unusual corn ( Identify please )

[franklin]

Can someone help Identify this little fellow? Anery ? hmmmm I don't know

Thanks,

 

[Clint Boyer]

It looks like it's from Miami lines or maybe Milksnake phase.
Definately not anery, to much chestnut coloring in the saddles.

 

[Russ Bates]

I was thinking Caramel

but the flash could be changing the colors

 

[carol]

It does look a lot like a Milksnake Phase, but those eyes don't look right to me. It may be a hybrid of some sort. You didn't happen to get that snake from Great Valley Serpentarium did you?

 

[Traci1]

I've seen that picture before, can't recall where though. But my first thought was that it was a corn x ? hybrid. Not sure.

 

[hediki]

i saw a snake like that on the web 2 day but i think its a european or asian rat snake im looking in my history to see if i can find it.

 

[hediki]

ok its not wat i though, i would say maby amber but the eyes... there wierd maby its the cam color or some thing but it doesnt look like its mixed with king or milk, nor grey rat so.. im lost but my best guess would be "pure" amber.

 

[princess]

That is an odd one -but very pretty. I'd say there's some 'non-corn' ratsnake in there from looking at the eyes and perhaps it's come from a 'miami-like' line of corns. That background is very clear. I think even if the eyes were darker, they still look a little large to me.

 

[E. g. guttata]

I'm wondering if thats not a Mexican Rat Snake. It's saddle count is fairly low. That would at least explain the odd eyes.......

 

[mbdorfer]

I'm leaning towards corn x grey rat, or some other obsoleta. I think the head pattern is too corn like for it to be a mexican rat. Most of the mexicans that I've seen have a head like a trans pecos, but those eyes are definitely mexican looking :shrugs:

 

[Serpwidgets]

The head, pattern, and eyes remind me of the look I've seen in yellow rats. :shrugs:

 

[Vinman]

that snake is corn snake crossed to a Obsoleta 100 % I seen many, they have the same blothches and the low blotch count. Look at the head shape. THere is no question to what that snake is the rat snake that was used is either a yellow or everglades. I would have to say everglades if I had to pick one. The fact that hatchling everglades are very light and will show color before a yellow does. it also can be a yellow X everglades crossed to a corn

 

[Vinman]

Also look at the body color on the sides that is to light grat for a corn the coloc is more like a ratsnake

 

[Drizzt80]

The only thing I'm 100% sure of is that it's NOT a boa, python, milksnake, kingsnake, . . .

Boy these darn 'possible hybrid looking' snakes are such a pain sometimes. While on the one hand there is so much variability with the corns themselves to look different, on the other, that snake just doesn't 'look right'. Does that mean it's a hybrid? Possibly, but then I haven't seen enough of the morphs first hand yet to make a call either way. Of the hatchlings I have produced, some just don't 'look right', but I do know they are pure corn.

If it's pure corn, the amount of yellow peeking through would lead me to guess some kind of caramel influence along with miami/banded due to the low saddle count.

If it's not pure corn, then the other suggestions that have been offered are more possible than anything I could offer.

D80

 

[Vinman]

The only thing I'm 100% sure of is that it's NOT a boa, python, milksnake, kingsnake, . . .

Boy these darn 'possible hybrid looking' snakes are such a pain sometimes. While on the one hand there is so much variability with the corns themselves to look different, on the other, that snake just doesn't 'look right'. Does that mean it's a hybrid? Possibly, but then I haven't seen enough of the morphs first hand yet to make a call either way. Of the hatchlings I have produced, some just don't 'look right', but I do know they are pure corn.



D80

D80 how do you know for sure that all your corns are pure? this cross breeding and hybirds have mixing in the corn blood for years . I cant prove that all my domestic color morph stocK is 100% pure I know the only contamention that MIGHT be in there is emoryi. But if you pick animals off some that buy & sells animals from all over belive me you there is gona be some hybirds in there stock whether you can tell or not. How can you tell ahat they are not pure when you can't see that this snake is a obsoleta X guttata ? This is a easy one. Serp picked it right out. In another thread, he by his own words does not pay attention to hybirds and and couldn't tell what everybody else seen the tail tell sines that this snake was a hybird. But he spotted that this snake it is a rat - corn cross . So if you cant tell that this is a cross what makes you belive that you can tell a more diffilcult cross that has been crossed back to corn? Look I'm not trying to fight with you I just want tio make it clear. I'm just pointing it out to you. Send me some picks the next time you hatch something weird. and I will let you what I think if you want. LOL Vinny

 

[Joejr14]

D80 how do you know for sure that all your corns are pure? this cross breeding and hybirds have mixing in the corn blood for years . I cant prove that all my domestic color morph stocK is 100% pure I know the only contamention that MIGHT be in there is emoryi. But if you pick animals off some that buy & sells animals from all over belive me you there is gona be some hybirds in there stock whether you can tell or not. How can you tell ahat they are not pure when you can't see that this snake is a obsoleta X guttata ? This is a easy one. Serp picked it right out. In another thread, he by his own words does not pay attention to hybirds and and couldn't tell what everybody else seen the tail tell sines that this snake was a hybird. But he spotted that this snake it is a rat - corn cross . So if you cant tell that this is a cross what makes you belive that you can tell a more diffilcult cross that has been crossed back to corn? Look I'm not trying to fight with you I just want tio make it clear. I'm just pointing it out to you. Send me some picks the next time you hatch something weird. and I will let you what I think if you want. LOL Vinny

Vin, Serp never said it was a hybrid or a cross.

The head, pattern, and eyes remind me of the look I've seen in yellow rats.

He just said it looked like a yellow rat to him, not a yellow rat x corn cross.

 

[Clint Boyer]

Here's one to ponder.........can you tell me what it is?

 

[Clint Boyer]

Or this.........

 

[princess]

Banded motley with 1/4 pine blood in there?

 

[ecreipeoj]

Here's one to ponder.........can you tell me what it is?
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It looks like they are from your Motley Okeetee Project to me.

I do not think that anybody can be 100% sure of the purity of most of the captive Corn Stock these days. There are 100’s and perhaps more accurately 1000’s of suspected and know hybrids that get sold without any history and are getting mixed into the pool each and every season.

A good example is the Ultramel and Goldust line. It seems as if everybody is just going to forget that there is Gray Rat in the background or try to mix words to try to say there is no proof. There is plenty of proof. They will be bred into every line there is and the mixing will be complete.

Some people, just won’t admit it to themselves that the Anti Hybrid People were right. The main reason to be against hybrids is that they will inevitably get mixed in with the pure snakes and there will not be many pure Corns left in captivity. If you have a line that traces back to wild caught them that is different, but if you are dealing with morphs, there is mixed blood in the group as a whole.

We do not have control over the situation and could not possibly have. Snake Shows have had many negative effects on this hobby and they definitely have contributed heavily in the mixing of hybrids into our Corns. I would never say that I am 100% sure of a 50/50 hybrid, but breed that 50/50 hybrid to a Corn and most of the offspring are going to look like other morphs of their type.

How many Corns are bought at Snake Shows each year without any history and presumed to be pure and bred to Corns? 1000’s or perhaps 10,000 of 1000’s? What about the wholesale market? The same is true there as well. If you want a pure Corn then buy a Hunt Club Okeetee. If you like the morphs, then it really shouldn’t matter, because they are not pure, unless you want to mix words and say there is no proof and ignore the reality of the Corn Snake World as a whole.