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Visually IDing RO vs Amel in hatchlings?

In that case I don't really think you can blame the vendor, as they allowed you to handle and inspect the snake before purchase. A harsh lesson in what not to do at shows.

I agree.

It's a hard lesson, but look before you leap. Taking an extra few minutes before committing to a purchase is critical. If the vendor allows people to handle animals before purchase, then the onus is on the consumer to make wise purchasing decisions.
 
Whoa....The BOI is unbelievable. I followed the thread you posted Autumn.....and boy, if you ever post a complaint, you sure get beat up!!
It's like a 6th grade fight. Unreal...
 
The babies I got from the show are another story all together! When I got home from the show those babies both had at the time of purchase been lively and active-good tongue movement and everything. When I got home , not so much! The caramel I got was so thin which I did not realize at the show! Should have but I didn't realize he was so ooo thin. The lady at the show said they had eaten 4-5 days prior and were eating good. Didn't think anything about it until I saw how skinny the male baby was when i got home. The butter female wasn't as bad . I got her to eat a few half pinkies for me but she couldn't keep them down. When I called and contacted the vendor she was extremely rude to me! Not , professional at all and was very reluctant to give me any kind of refund or replacement..... and she never did.
 
Obviously, I am not going to buy from that vendor again ever! The vendor I got the babies from... I know it was my fault and I love the female adult motley female that I got but I would never sell animals in that condition to begin with! It's no wonder, I had gotten the price on her down from $100 down to $70.00 so I guess that is probably why!
 
BOI on him is horrible! I don't think it's true that he's like that with his animals/snakes. I really love the amber stripe female I got from Doc. She's gorgeous!
 
So if you go to a car lot, one that has a bad rep and then buy a car because you don't believe the bad rep, then said car dies you can't blame the car lot across the street. Selling sick animals is nothing to be taken lightly. Selling healthy animals with records on eating, weight and hatch date, very good. Even wtih all that a snake can change it's temperment, eating habits.... simply because it is in a new home. It appears you bought animals from iffy people and down right bad reps, but he's OK the iffy people are bad. Sorry none of this makes sense. Are you looking for help, sympathy, empathy, help??? Is it visual imperfections or buyers remorse?
 
BOI on him is horrible! I don't think it's true that he's like that with his animals/snakes. I really love the amber stripe female I got from Doc. She's gorgeous!

It is true and proven beyond the shadow of a doubt by MANY MANY sources and different people. You got lucky.

But in accordance with the rules, this forum is not the BOI, if you do not think it's true, comment in the BOI thread.
 
I agree.

It's a hard lesson, but look before you leap. Taking an extra few minutes before committing to a purchase is critical. If the vendor allows people to handle animals before purchase, then the onus is on the consumer to make wise purchasing decisions.
This. I've never bought any of my snakes without a thorough check over. No matter how good a price, a deformed or diseased snake wouldn't be a bargain. Even less so if it brought back something transmissable to my others.
 
It was only my second show ever that I've gone to. I was very excited to be there and had a ton of fun while I was there! It happens! I'm not looking for empathy, sympathy or anything of the sort! Just saying what happened that is all! I've learned a few lessons on a lot of things! I won't buy from certain people and I will buy from those that do good by me. I won't buy knowingly sick or otherwise deformed animals for now on.
 
So if you go to a car lot, one that has a bad rep and then buy a car because you don't believe the bad rep, then said car dies you can't blame the car lot across the street. Selling sick animals is nothing to be taken lightly. Selling healthy animals with records on eating, weight and hatch date, very good. Even wtih all that a snake can change it's temperment, eating habits.... simply because it is in a new home. It appears you bought animals from iffy people and down right bad reps, but he's OK the iffy people are bad. Sorry none of this makes sense. Are you looking for help, sympathy, empathy, help??? Is it visual imperfections or buyers remorse?
YEP. This is the same as people who buy a puppy from the back of a car then find out (and always seem suprised) that it's full of worms and diseases and badly bred. It always turns out they wanted something cheap or couldn't be bothered to follow good advice about how to buy a healthy pup from good sources. They post about how much the vet bills cost and how little Fluffy turned out to have congenital defects or a bad temperement. And expect pats on the back for 'saving' it or sympathy for their troubles........
Anyway, back to the original topic, I'm rather fond of my keeper 2012 RO
 

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Whoa....The BOI is unbelievable. I followed the thread you posted Autumn.....and boy, if you ever post a complaint, you sure get beat up!!
It's like a 6th grade fight. Unreal...

Yeah, it's a little rough. The problem was very poor documentation from the first accuser, then more and more people stepped forward. MANY of us apologized to Josh.

You will NOT get beat up on the BOI if you post your facts in a clearly and have all your evidence together.

Keep reading... read the WHOLE thing, you can see person after after person come through with proof.
 
Funny thing about that BOI thread though. As horrible as I was to Josh, later on I apologized to him and he accepted. We ended up eating together at Daytona and are pretty friendly now.
 
Yeah, it's a little rough. The problem was very poor documentation from the first accuser, then more and more people stepped forward. MANY of us apologized to Josh.

You will NOT get beat up on the BOI if you post your facts in a clearly and have all your evidence together.

Keep reading... read the WHOLE thing, you can see person after after person come through with proof.

Word........................................
 
BOI on him is horrible! I don't think it's true that he's like that with his animals/snakes.

You are one of the lucky ones. I PERSONALLY know MANY people who bought snakes which died. There were too many for it to be blamed on the buyers, like he tried to do. No one would post for fear of being slaughtered for accusing a well-known breeder of selling sick snakes. Rich had to make a NEW RULE on the BOI because of the treatment Josh Hardy got. If you make a false accusation, or a true accusation you can't back up, the BOI sharks would butcher you. Once Josh came forward, many others who had received dying snakes got brave enough to talk about it. He couldn't threaten and silence them all. You know what SUCKS??? New people, buying their first baby, who'd be dazzled by the cheap prices on fancy morphs, would buy, not knowing about BOI, or a few knowing and not believing. Then their snake would die. Then they'd be accused of not caring for their snake properly, when all along it was doomed from the start. They'd ask me, "why is he allowed to advertise here? Why aren't we protected?" Why do you think he locks his threads? It's because that way, people who express interest can't be seen, and advised to do research. And the BOI thread doesn't even have half the affected people participating. Lots of people were still too scared, or scared of being ostracized by the community. He claims to have cleaned up his act. Time will tell. Who wants to put a collection worth thousands of dollars, with priceless breeders and offspring, at risk to prove it?
 
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You are one of the lucky ones. I PERSONALLY know MANY people who bought Doc snakes which died. There were too many for it to be blamed on the buyers, like he tried to do. No one would post for fear of being slaughtered for accusing a well-known breeder of selling sick snakes. Rich had to make a NEW RULE on the BOI because of the treatment Josh Hardy got. If you make a false accusation, or a true accusation you can't back up, the BOI sharks would butcher you. Once Josh came forward, many others who had received dying snakes got brave enough to talk about it. Doc couldn't threaten and silence them all. You know what SUCKS??? New people, buying their first baby, who'd be dazzled by the cheap prices on fancy morphs, would buy, not knowing about BOI, or a few knowing and not believing. Then their snake would die. Then they'd be accused of not caring for their snake properly, when all along it was doomed from the start. They'd ask me, "why is he allowed to advertise here? Why aren't we protected?" Why do you think he locks his threads? It's because that way, people who express interest can't be seen, and advised to do research. And the BOI thread doesn't even have half the affected people participating. Lots of people were still too scared, or scared of being ostracized by the community. He claims to have cleaned up his act. Time will tell. Who wants to put a collection worth thousands of dollars, with priceless breeders and offspring, at risk to prove it?

Actually, I don't think she was all that lucky. I might have read it wrong, but I believe she bought 2 snakes from him, and one regurged and died. Same as all those others......
 
I've also had one of my babies that I got from Doc Snakes die on me. I still have my amber stripe female that I got from him but the male butter stripe died. He had sent me another one but unfortunately that one escaped his new enclosure last October never to be found.

Found it.....
 
I meant lucky to have one make it.

Now I can't say, any more, that I have NEVER had a baby die, but I sure didn't try to blame the owner. I _wanted_ to have the baby necropsied, but the local vet quoted a charge of $500. My vet said it would be too autolysed to send here no matter how it was preserved. The baby will be replaced with a snake of much higher value. Oh, and the baby had been with the new owner for a couple months- it didn't die suddenly upon arrival.
 
Yes, I did have one die on me but also had one survive and she's doing great! I think a lot of breeders sell sick snakes some knowingly sell them and some not knowingly sell them. I've also had bad luck with some other breeders/vendors that I bought from last year. But I'm not going there again... I'm not going to buy from anyone that I bought from last year except for Triangle Reptiles- I love the king snakes I got from him- 3 and all of them are doing excellent for me. I also liked www.arizonareptile.com whom I got a Butter Motley female from. She's very healthy. I also got my baby Tessera's just recently from Stephen Roylance who I've heard nothing but good things about. Yes, anyone basically that I bought from and had my babies die are not on the list for repeat business!
 
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