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War with North Korea
- Thread starter Tara80
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Ah, but what is it that China actually wants from the USA for all the loans they have made to us? Knowing full well that we will probably never be able to pay off those loans. They didn't just GIVE us the money, you know. And who knows what sort of collateral our "representatives" put up for those loans that they really won't be able to deliver when the loans are defaulted. :uhoh: How would China take that?
If N. Korea were to succeed in delivering one or more EMP detonations over the USA, China could actually reap the rewards with absolutely no risk to themselves. They could land on our shores, overtly strictly for humanitarian reasons and stage an invasion with no risk of being repelled at the borders by the USA armed forces. Once they are here and firmly entrenched, we would not have the power to make them leave. Meanwhile, N. Korea gets wiped off the map from USA submarine launches.
And if N. Korea fails, no big loss to anyone when the USA burns them to the ground for their act of war, and China doesn't risk a thing from the attempt.
Either way, N. Korea would be toast, it seems, which often happens to pawns in a game.
Seems to me there is a very high level chess game going on here with not just the two main players, and we are only hearing about the smallest tip of that iceberg.
Outcast
ATPSS
Rich, I wish that I could give you some Rep for that. Extremely well said!
My brother is in the Navy and asked me a couple of days ago what I thought of the situation with N.Korea, and if I thought their missiles could reach the mainland of the U.S. I told him that I have never heard of them getting this close to actually sending nukes our way, and that from that I know of what missiles they have, they would be able to hit the west coast, but not much farther inland. He went on to tell me that my assumption of their capabilities was correct, but that our defense system would be able to take out the missiles before they ever hit land.
My only issue with that statement from him was that the defense system that he is talking about has only ever been used in test scenarios, where they know exactly what the target of the "enemy" missile is, and keep it on a steady trajectory. I am worried that it hasn't been tested with variables thrown in the mix. Because it seems (from the equipment that my unit received overseas) that the military only tests things so much before fielding them as "good to go".
The equipment I speak of is some new trucks that were sent to my EOD unit, in which we had to pull seats out and build shelves for, because we are not infantry, and the military saw fit to have infantry test our EOD trucks... Never asked the guys who were going to use the vehicles about what we needed in them... 8 seats and no storage is not conducive to transporting 30-80 lbs of high explosives at any time, for IED calls... Not to mention the robots and bomb suits....
But, that is only my experience with the military doing "testing" on something and then fielding it. The missile defense system may have been tested differently, though I doubt it.
My brother is in the Navy and asked me a couple of days ago what I thought of the situation with N.Korea, and if I thought their missiles could reach the mainland of the U.S. I told him that I have never heard of them getting this close to actually sending nukes our way, and that from that I know of what missiles they have, they would be able to hit the west coast, but not much farther inland. He went on to tell me that my assumption of their capabilities was correct, but that our defense system would be able to take out the missiles before they ever hit land.
My only issue with that statement from him was that the defense system that he is talking about has only ever been used in test scenarios, where they know exactly what the target of the "enemy" missile is, and keep it on a steady trajectory. I am worried that it hasn't been tested with variables thrown in the mix. Because it seems (from the equipment that my unit received overseas) that the military only tests things so much before fielding them as "good to go".
The equipment I speak of is some new trucks that were sent to my EOD unit, in which we had to pull seats out and build shelves for, because we are not infantry, and the military saw fit to have infantry test our EOD trucks... Never asked the guys who were going to use the vehicles about what we needed in them... 8 seats and no storage is not conducive to transporting 30-80 lbs of high explosives at any time, for IED calls... Not to mention the robots and bomb suits....
But, that is only my experience with the military doing "testing" on something and then fielding it. The missile defense system may have been tested differently, though I doubt it.
Guruofchem
New member
I still think most of this is posturing - it fits their pattern of turning up the rhetoric when we do joint ops with the South Koreans, and Kim Jong Un wants to show he is not too young for the job and can stand up to the evil US. My worry with brinksmanship games, however, is the possibility of someone making a mistake at a local level which would not be a big deal under normal conditions, but which sets off chains of overreaction because of the current heightened tensions. If they are foolish enough to actually run a missile test this week, things could definitely get out of control quickly.
Nanci
Alien Lover
I just don't understand Kim Jong Un. He went to college in Switzerland, right? When he took over, that was his opportunity to be a hero, make a change, change history.
On the radio this morning I heard a story about how the Cold War ended. Gorbachov made an unscheduled visit to a grocery store in the US, and saw normal, not affluent people, shopping, being able to buy anything, and he broke down crying, and wanted that for his people.
I just don't get what benefit there is to North Korea, to remain the way they are.
On the radio this morning I heard a story about how the Cold War ended. Gorbachov made an unscheduled visit to a grocery store in the US, and saw normal, not affluent people, shopping, being able to buy anything, and he broke down crying, and wanted that for his people.
I just don't get what benefit there is to North Korea, to remain the way they are.
The problem will be if he just paints himself into a corner and HAS to do something or else go home and hide is face in a closet from embarrassment. Kim Jong Un is going WAY out on a limb with his posturing. I have to wonder is someone high up in the military of N. Korea isn't planning on smoking him and grabbing the reins of power.
And I wouldn't limit my concern to what N. Korea can natively produce, technology-wise. I would be concerned about what they can BUY or otherwise procure from countries who would like to bring the USA down, but not want to be on the receiving end of the retaliatory strikes.
The world is just chock full of REALLY crazy people. The question is, is there anyone THAT crazy to possibly destroy the planet, in a position to be able to do so.
And I wouldn't limit my concern to what N. Korea can natively produce, technology-wise. I would be concerned about what they can BUY or otherwise procure from countries who would like to bring the USA down, but not want to be on the receiving end of the retaliatory strikes.
The world is just chock full of REALLY crazy people. The question is, is there anyone THAT crazy to possibly destroy the planet, in a position to be able to do so.
Outcast
ATPSS
That is where the "with help" comes into effect. The U.S. has many enemies. Heck, even many of our so called "allies" secretly wish we were wiped off the face of the planet.
Tara80
ACR Breeder # 787
I don't think many of us take the threat too "seriously" but the problem is that Un, unlike his forefathers, has not left himself an out to save face.
He is expecting the US to capitulate to his terms but what happens when we don't? He will lose face unless he does "something". That's the problem, I think.
Also, Aaron, we have missile defense systems on our destroyers (I've helped install some of them
) and we have a large missile detection system based outside of Alaska that is capable of detecting missile launches all over the world.
He is expecting the US to capitulate to his terms but what happens when we don't? He will lose face unless he does "something". That's the problem, I think.
Also, Aaron, we have missile defense systems on our destroyers (I've helped install some of them
) and we have a large missile detection system based outside of Alaska that is capable of detecting missile launches all over the world.
Outcast
ATPSS
That is what my brother keeps telling me. Unfortunately, where there is a will, there is a way. And it is possible to hack our systems, if they really want to screw with us... I am just thinking of all the negative possibilities, there is always a way to mess someone over, if you look hard enough and plan well enough.
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
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Tara80
ACR Breeder # 787
Most of our defense systems are on their own intranets. They don't even cross over into the mainstream internet to be hacked.
Not saying that it's not possible. It would just be something that would have to be done by an insider; and that's tough to do.
Nanci
Alien Lover
Didn't you watch Last Resort, ATPSS? ;-)
Nythain
New member
I guess every generation needs a missile crisis...
Your picture made me laugh. Like really laugh laugh, out loud. As an older techno-nerd, that is the best image I've seen in quite a while!
Tara80
ACR Breeder # 787
LOL yeah, me too. Do you remember those big old ones that were actually *floppy*.... good memories.
LOL!! How many of you have actually seen 8 inch floppy disks? I believe I've got a couple boxes of them around here somewhere....
Nythain
New member
Can't say I've had the pleasure of ever seeing an 8 inch. Before 5 1/4, I was using tape, and then the evolution to 3.5. Sort of mind blowing how fast I went from tape to no physical media at all. My current rig doesn't have a disc drive at all anymore (aside from the hdd's of course).