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What are your thoughts on this??

Irish Eyes (Mrs.Z) said:
Hey, them "shineys" are only about the cost of one normal, no hets, cornsnake hatchling. Get yerself a shiny! Support the site, AND get editing privileges! :)

BTW, I don't go in at ALL for rattlesnake roundups. I believe they've been going on for decades, and I've never liked the thought of mass kills of anything (except mosquitos or somesuch :).
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Yep,...they've been doing it for many many years. At several locales. Not that that is an excuse, but old 'traditions' in communities die hard. Incidentally, in Lake Providence, Louisiana, they have a "Snake Rodeo" every summer, and shoot/hook/kill/collect every serpent in and around the lake. They have prizes for most snakes, most poundage, most poisonous snakes, and largest snake, etc., etc.,...
Hey...don't shoot the messenger.
snakewispera snr said:
In the UK the rattle snake round up is viewed the same as Spanish bull fighting, Turkish dancing bears and Chavs dog fighting...
Pretty barbaric to kill and maim animals for fun...
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Yeah, Mike I wince every time I see news about those "roundups".
I don't know it if they show it on the video or not, Lexie, but there are certain towns that even use gasoline through tubes to flush rattlesnakes (and other accidentals) out of deep holes and crevasses. IMHO, introducing gasoline into a healthy ecosystem is even more of an abomination.

But, I must say, eating the snakes and harvesting the venom does placate me somewhat. There has been work with venom, as well as anti-venom, from Miami (google Bill Haast) to Dallas to Los Angeles, and elsewhere.
And on a variety of conditions from anaphylaxis to Multiple Sclerosis, the latter of which my grandmother had and baby sister has.

Rodeo and Roundup may not be the most agreeable/PC words, but one can't change the world in a day. In fact, IMHO, we have our hands full right now with defending and preserving the integrity and and longevity of our hobby/industry. We can change the rodeos and roundups, hopefully with the natural assistance of the passage of time and the evolution of the human mind, more successfully from standing on a solid foundation as a 'community' ourselves.
 
Good words and I appreciate them.
snakewispera snr said:
But you don't kill because you hate...
That's my point.... You cull and they hate....
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I don't hate because I'm a city slicker too. But, I do hunt with some farmers who hate with a passion. They hate what the overpopulation (overpopulated due to an awesome and regulated management system I might add) of deer does to their crops on a daily basis. So while they are harvesting the animal to also feed their family, they hate the animal that they kill because it is eating into their ability to provide for their family financially. I can't judge them for that because it's not my crops the deer are eating, but I enjoy helping them out. They are family. ;)

How that relates to rattlesnakes and hate I don't know. :shrugs: But I am not a rancher nor a member of that community in Texas. Whether based on phobia, fear, or financial loss to their livestock or community, who am I to judge their inner feelings. Outward appearances of joy and excitement by participants don't necessarily translate to sadism. Or maybe they do. I can only speak for myself.

I don't have a problem with the killing of animals that are used for something. Whether that's done in a festival or a home or a packing plant. Who are we to judge? I wear leather. I eat meat. I would love to try rattlesnake chili. I eat grain. Grain? Yes. Ever consider the number/type of animals killed during the planting/growing/harvesting/processing of grains . . . animals that aren't consumed? Out of sight out of mind works for a lot of people, including myself. I don't lament over it, but I respect the process. Death has to occur in order for life to continue. Some people like to hide from that simple fact of life by decrying anything that looks inhumane. Death IS inhumane. You're taking something's life. You can't pussyfoot around that.

For a different angle, I think we may be confusing death with torture. I did not see anything in that video that suggested torture. Compare that video to the inside of a Tyson chicken factory. :eek: Pouring gasoline down holes or under rocks as a method to find snakes? (Thanks Eric for that information.) I'd put that in the unacceptable column.

D80
 
Good points, Eric and Brent! I had my response all worked up... but it paled in comparison, so I'll let your finer words do the talking. LOL.
 
snakewispera snr said:
Mmmm An eloquent wall of logic..
:idea:You guys should be running mates..
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LOL. I get it... I just didn't see any need to reinvent the wheel. Plus, my thoughts were already posted.

Don't like the roundups... but, unless there is empirical evidence that it really hurts the local ecology and/or is decimating the snake population, I see it the same as when rejoicing fisherman haul in a net full of fish... or when cowboys "YEEEEHAWWW" when they "bring in the herd". I don't know how much is "wasted" and I don't know the attitudes of the people who put the show on. They've been doing it in perpetuity and they're still bringing in 20 grand of snakes. Is that a sign that the local population of rattlers can handle it? IDK?

Until I hear otherwise, I can dislike... I can wish otherwise, but it is what they do...

To me it is too easy to point out the faults and come to "conclusions" about a group of people I know next to nothing about.
 
LOL. Mike my friend, I often cannot tell whether you are being serious, being humorous, or making fun at my expense. At any rate I am not thin-skinned.
snakewispera snr said:
Mmmm An eloquent wall of logic..
:idea:You guys should be running mates..
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Mike, I don't think my "wincing" or implied distaste in the quote, or entire post below, begin to erect a 'wall of logic', true, fallacious, intentional, accidental, nor otherwise. At least that was not my conscious intent.
vetusvates said:
Yeah, Mike I wince every time I see news about those "roundups".
I don't know it if they show it on the video or not, Lexie, but there are certain towns that even use gasoline through tubes to flush rattlesnakes (and other accidentals) out of deep holes and crevasses. IMHO, introducing gasoline into a healthy ecosystem is even more of an abomination.
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Great link, below. I was not aware of the practice east of the Mississippi. But even the existence of the article itself...the knowledge, the awareness,...are markers for perhaps a new enlightened, more environmentally friendly trail to be blazed.
snakewispera snr said:
I have found this.
http://www.herpconbio.org/Volume_4/Issue_2/Means_2009.pdf
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vetusvates said:
LOL. Mike my friend, I often cannot tell whether you are being serious, being humorous, or making fun at my expense. At any rate I am not thin-skinned.

Mike, I don't think my "wincing" or implied distaste in the quote, or entire post below, begin to erect a 'wall of logic', true, fallacious, intentional, accidental, nor otherwise. At least that was not my conscious intent.

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Eric, take everything I say about you as a compliment...
And I love the way you're a walking dictionary.
 
As much as i don't like the roundups, and my feelings were pretty well summed up in my previous post, I don't think they should be made illegal on account of how i feel. The world does not revolve around me, or anyone else. If the animal was headed for extinction, or if the roundups prove to be bad for the envirnment, or there is a darn good reason for banning them, then that is another thing entirely.
I am with Fred on this.
 
snakewispera snr said:
Eric, take everything I say about you as a compliment...
And I love the way you're a walking dictionary.
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Mike, I STILL can't pronounce his username, even after I heard him say it!
I do confess that in the past I did wonder if Eric and I would speak the same language, he is wicked smart you know! But it all worked out, and I can't wait to see him next year!
 
snakewispera snr said:
Eric, take everything I say about you as a compliment...
And I love the way you're a walking dictionary.
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Thanks, Mike.

And on another note, Brent's post on the waste of field/meadow dwelling life in the harvest of various crops reminded me of another story. This would perhaps be a sight for those not from the South.
Sugar cane grows thick and high 10-12+ feet), until the last of Sept into October harvest. And not always is every field harvested every year, which gives quite an opportunity for native wild species to 'encamp'...LOL.
In years gone by, children would make a game of stationing themselves on a paved road that bounded a field actively being harvested. About like rats fleeing a burning house, comes pouring out of a cane field everything from foxes to skunks to racers to kingsnakes to bats and everything else. Quite a sight.
I would imagine there would be an immense incidental kill in this process.
And...probably less wildlife encamping and fleeing,...as the years have gone by.
 
starsevol said:
Mike, I STILL can't pronounce his username, even after I heard him say it!
I do confess that in the past I did wonder if Eric and I would speak the same language, he is wicked smart you know! But it all worked out, and I can't wait to see him next year!
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I still haven't got a clue how to say it, either... LOL
And yes, he's wicked smart... But better than that he's clever smart..
Instead of making me feel stupid when he goes off on one... He makes me feel smart when I read it.... LOL
I've only met a few people who can talk like that, and not seem like they are talking down to you...
Quite a gift IMO..
I like friends who make me feel clever....:dancer:
 
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