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What do you think these are ?

asnakecalled?

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ok so last year i bought a pair of blood reds het lavender, this breeding season i put them together and got a nice size clutch of 14 eggs and thats where the problems started only 3 of the eggs survived to hatching, i got 3 healthy hatchlings but they all look different so what do you think they are, the 1st is a blood red but what do you think the other 2 are because i dont think they are plasma they look to dark to me. pictures are taken with out the flash

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I have a granite hatchling and it looks just like the 3rd one. I dont know about the 2nd it looks kind of brown. Whatever they are congrats.
 
Hard to see in the photos, do the grey/brown ones have grey or really dark almost black eyes?
 
Are you totally sure about the hets of the parents? The dark babies could be diffused charcoal or anery, but they don't look like plasmas at all
 
the person i got them off showed me the paper work that came with them from serpenco in 2008 it sead they were bloodred het lavender (i didn't get a copy of the paper work as he was keeping it for the rest of the snakes he got that year
 
What if you ask Rich to look at tho thread and ask if there was a chance he was breeding a line with anery or pewter in it at that time? They look like a granite and a dark- I don't know, pewter maybe.
 
If the parents came from Rich, it wouldn't surprise me at all that more hets paired up than was on the label. The last one sure looks like a pewter, but the middle on is a puzzle. I have no personal experience with plasmas, but do with lavenders and I've seen some brown lavenders, especially females. The color is a bit off, but since we figure charcoal is in the mix, I really don't know what a charcoal plasma/lavender pewter might look like. It does have that blue over the eyes so may simply be a light pewter.
 
Looks like Pewters to me. But at that stage of the game, anything is possible in there. I've had LOTS of projects ongoing that combined Charcoal and Lavender, and as best I could tell, Charcoal appeared to completely overpower Lavender. Heck, when Anerythrism combined with Charcoal, it was pretty darn difficult to tell what the heck you had looking at newly hatched babies. Throw Lavender, hypo AND Blood Red in there as well, and HAH! Good luck figuring them out.

Heck, you don't think this sort of stuff DIDN'T drive me crazy, now did you? I felt like I was retiring just a half step in front of the guys with nets to throw over me and strap me into a straight jacket. Most of you really don't have any idea what is in store for you with all of these genes now floating around that will be getting combined. Heck, the last couple years of breeding, I don't believe I had very many adults at all that were simply one gene carriers. And quite likely many were at least triple hets. Many were visuals of one trait and het for two or three other genes. Quite honestly, when I found out that people weren't willing to pay any more for triple or quad het animals, I stopped labelling them for more than two genes completely. And normally would only label them for one het gene, no matter how many genes they were really definite hets for. It was a waste of my time trying to keep up with all the labels I needed each hatching season, and besides, I could only fit so much on those labels anyway. Heck I had a folder of sheets of labels that was about three inches THICK! So people quite often (probably MOST of the time) wound up getting bonus genes in nearly all the snakes I was sending out.

And heck, I stopped worrying about "possible" hets a long time ago. Nearly everything I was working on was possible het for nearly everything else I was working with anyway. That's what made hatching time so much fun around here. I really NEVER knew what was going to hatch out. You really have no idea how many interesting animals I bulked out at the end simply because I didn't have a clue about what they really were and knew there was no way I would ever be able to find out. I just put them in 100 lot bags and figured whoever got them could try to figure it out. How the heck could I have sold them otherwise if I couldn't even put a label on them because I didn't KNOW what they were?

So yeah, there really is NO telling simply by LOOKING at the babies hatching out these days what they are. Only by doing test breeding of them as adults will you be able to really find out. Think about that for a bit and consider what THAT means concerning the babies from those test breedings...... :crazy02:
 
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