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SickPyth7

SickPyth7

Snakes
Can anyone help me define this male of mine?
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Any opinions will help
 
Looks like it might be a caramel motley to me, but I'm not real good at this yet. What does the ventral look like? Do you have a better picture of the ehad, showing the top of the head, and maybe a ventral shot?
 
Very interesting! What does the belly look like? I'm guessing it's a plain belly as that sure looks like it might be a motley, possibly a hypo motley with Miami phase in the bloodline. The over-all color reminds me of some light colored banded corns and the motley gene would account for the more uniform coloration, as well as that white throat and the dorsal pattern (not the ideal motley, but I've got one marked similarly). There may also be some Keys influence in the color, as I'm reminded of that as well. The head has a different look to it and the thought of yellow rat comes to mind, but I'm not an expert with that species...it just came to mind.
 
Susan said:
Very interesting! What does the belly look like? I'm guessing it's a plain belly as that sure looks like it might be a motley, possibly a hypo motley with Miami phase in the bloodline. The over-all color reminds me of some light colored banded corns and the motley gene would account for the more uniform coloration, as well as that white throat and the dorsal pattern (not the ideal motley, but I've got one marked similarly). There may also be some Keys influence in the color, as I'm reminded of that as well. The head has a different look to it and the thought of yellow rat comes to mind, but I'm not an expert with that species...it just came to mind.
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He does look as if he is ratsnake! I'm actually 100% unsure seeing that the person I bought it from (through Kingsnake.com) sold it to me as a Amber. Well seeing that last year I bred him to 3 Hypo females and produced only normals whom take on the same color and pattern as the father. I kept 3 of the males that looked most appealing to me and they all have lost all black pigment and look exactly like the father with each shed. I'm still very puzzled as to what it really is, this year I only bred him to an Anery in hopes that he is something different or new. I guess when I breed his siblings back to him and themselves the truth should show.

Here are last years pictures....one with his sibling (a son)
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I will get belly shots asap...I really need to put an actual genetic name to this guy!
 
Here is a belly shot plus one of the older sons in comparison with his dad. Opinions greatly appreciated in this mystery male

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Well, I love trying to guess at this, and get some practice. soo....

I'd say there's definitely some Miami in the bloodline as Susan said, looking at the normal (son??) in the last picture. I thought amber at first glance, bet he's lighter than I'm used to seeing in an amber, and, apparently, he's not an amber, as you said.

Cool snake.

I have no real idea what it is. maybe it is some other hypo gene and caramel. :shrugs: I don't know. But I have no real idea what it is.
 
If he produced all normals when bred to 3 hypo females, he definitely does not carry the hypo gene, therefore, he isn't an amber. His color is just not right to be homozygous for caramel., but there is a possibility of his being het for caramel. Seeing the difference between the older offspring and the father, I am more inclined to say the father is a hybrid, and I'm going to say a yellow rat X corn cross, making the offspring now 1/4 yellow rat and 3/4 corn, hence their darker, less yellow appearance.
 
I think the yellow ratsnake theory is correct. Although I will never fully know what he is, I'm starting to see what you guys are seeing as far as him being ratsnake. Well I did breed him this year to a Normal het Amel / Hypo, babies should be interesting.

Thanks everyone :)
 
I could not write because I was banned for 3 days seen the thread yesterday . wrote to suesan and told her it was a intergrade with a yellow rat that is what you got. I breed ambers . It looks close but no ciggar. The first pic's I could see the yellow rat in the snake sorry I could not clear this up for you yestetrday
 
Vinman said:
I could not write because I was banned for 3 days seen the thread yesterday . wrote to suesan and told her it was a intergrade with a yellow rat that is what you got. I breed ambers . It looks close but no ciggar. The first pic's I could see the yellow rat in the snake sorry I could not clear this up for you yestetrday
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Thank you very much. I really do appreciate all the info. :) This forum rocks!
 
I disagree. It doesn't really look ratsnake to me. It looks just like an amber without the yellow wash. Maybe its just a very weird amber.
 
Shaky said:
I disagree. It doesn't really look ratsnake to me. It looks just like an amber without the yellow wash. Maybe its just a very weird amber.
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It was allready proven not to be a hypo so how can it be a amber. You cant miss the rat snake in it, look at the head in the first few pics how many yellow rat / corn crosses have you seen. I know that I seen many . I also breed ambers and none of them look liket that . Look at all the pic's in the thread the scales have to much of a keel.
 
I honestly see some nice melanine stripes down this guy.. I am looking at that guy thinking Upper Keys in the mix.. The belly checkers look like something I would expect to see from an Upper Keys type of animal..The iris colour seems off too IMHO..

Regards Tim of T and J
 
Vinman said:
It was allready proven not to be a hypo so how can it be a amber. You cant miss the rat snake in it, look at the head in the first few pics how many yellow rat / corn crosses have you seen. I know that I seen many . I also breed ambers and none of them look liket that . Look at all the pic's in the thread the scales have to much of a keel.
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I agree with Vinman because I also noticed earlier this year all the keels on the scales and was starting to question what he was! I also have several Ambers and they all look nothing like him...he's definitly a hybrid.
 
Vinman said:
It was allready proven not to be a hypo so how can it be a amber. You cant miss the rat snake in it, look at the head in the first few pics how many yellow rat / corn crosses have you seen. I know that I seen many . I also breed ambers and none of them look liket that . Look at all the pic's in the thread the scales have to much of a keel.
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I never noticed keeling of scales in my yellow rat.... :confused: (off to look at her yellow rat)
 
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