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White Speckled Rattlesnakes!!!

wstphal said:
"Buzz worms"? LOL! Rare in the sense of morphs or rare in the sense of species that are hard to find in the wild? Nothing wrong either way, just that if you keep & breed ones that are wild type but are species or subspecies that are having a hard time surviving in their "natural" habitat because of humans, you are also serving a valuable function in giving the species a protected space to survive in so that maybe one day it can be reintroduced into the wild, and it would be so cool to be able to help a species or subspecies survive!

Anyway these are gorgeous. I love the look of all the pit viper species I have seen, but I don't trust myself not to get tempted to free handle, and that would not be good! So I will enjoy looking at them being cared for by people who can care for these hots while keeping themselves safe. I love your pictures of hots, please post them!
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Thanks. They come from such a remote- extremely hard to hunt locality and I doubt they're in danger of being over collected. The locality itself is VERY guarded/secret- special permission must be given to even get to the area.

If you've ever hunted specks you'll understand...

They are all white from that area- juts match the rocks they are found on...

Thanks!
Graham
 
:eek: Wow! These are new to me, and they're really interesting! How long have we known they exist in the wild?
 
StrangeCargo said:
Yes, they came from our mutual friend. He and I have done a few deals so far... very nice guy. Thank you for the introduction. :dancer:
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Excellent, glad it worked out for ya. He is a good guy. He doesn't do much in the way of colubrids, but he is a good guy to know. :)
 
Is this name a secret? Cuz I really, really want to know!
 
StrangeCargo said:
Thanks. They come from such a remote- extremely hard to hunt locality and I doubt they're in danger of being over collected. The locality itself is VERY guarded/secret- special permission must be given to even get to the area.

If you've ever hunted specks you'll understand...
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I am glad to read they are safe in the wild and that whomever is the owner or has control of the area is taking good precautions. I haven't herped for hots although I ran across the 3 most common hots of FL often enough as a child. I loved to see them but from a few feet so I could be safe. I always thought, and still think, that copperheads are gorgeous but all the US pit vipers are good looking critters.

Nowadays I live in MA & I don't think there's been a report of a native pit viper in years here. Did meet one guy with a severe pit viper envenomation who CLAIMED he got it hiking but a well respected toxicologist with expertise in pit vipers said it was a Mojave based on what happened to the guy, and we don't have those. Bummer that we don't, they are quite cool.

If I ever get back out to the SW US I plan to go looking! But not touching...
 
Simply breathtaking! I just can;t seem to get myself around the idea of owning a snake that could very easily kill me ;P But to each his own. I love the "stub nose" that these guys have. It just screams "Stay back, I mean it!" =D
 
Graham, my jaw just hit the floor. What fabulous looking animals!! I would love to have some rattlers someday, especially after seeing some of your pygmy guys in Daytona last year. Hearing their little rattles made my day. :) Anywho, good luck with these guys, I look forward to seeing more pictures of them!!
 
MotleyCrue said:
Simply breathtaking! I just can;t seem to get myself around the idea of owning a snake that could very easily kill me ;P But to each his own. I love the "stub nose" that these guys have. It just screams "Stay back, I mean it!" =D
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I understand. I've kept reptiles for over 25 years. The decision to keep venomous/hot reptiles is a big step. They require your upmost RESPECT and concentration. It's usually not "IF" you'll get bit but "WHEN". I consider myself a very responsible keeper. Too many keepers get jaded in their daily care routines around hots- although you learn an animals personality, you should NEVER TRUST or assume they'll act a certain way.

Shift boxes are used when possible. If animals need to be touched (injections/medication, sexing, etc.) they are properly "tubed"- I do everything I can to avoid ever touching them. Venomous animals are kept outside in a locked building inside LOCKED and LABELED caging.

I don't wanna sidetrack my picture thread BUT it was a good point that I felt like should be addressed- Irresponsible keepers (venomous or not) makes our entire hobby look bad to the general public if/when incidents happen.

And yes, mitchelli have a unique "stub nose" look.

:)
 
Reptilekyle64 said:
What a crazy one of the best looking rattlers ive seen awsome, and glad you got some have fun working with them =)
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Thanks! They are a challenging species to work with here in Texas. Arizona keepers don't have any problems maintaining them. Outside their natural range keepers are a bit more challenged. They will be set up in DISPLAY caging so I can "enjoy" looking at them. The key to keeping mitchelli (from what I've heard) - at least here in Texas- is give them a large temp gradient (with a VERY warm daytime basking spot), let temps drop at night (like in nature), lots of hiding spots, low humidity/limited water & smaller than average food items.

Alot of guys don't keep a water bowl in the tanks and let them get their water/moisture through the mice they eat. I plan on injecting the f/t mice with water prior to feeding. I just finished soaking them and each drank for some time (I'm sure it's like a desert rainstorm where ALL the animals fill up on water). I'll soak them once a week or so to make sure they stay hydrated.

I love a challenge and plan on devoting all my resources into raising/breeding these guys...
 
That needs to be said, Graham! Over and over. No hot bite is trivial, unless you're lucky enough to get a dry bite, and even those can be injurious.

Edit: in response to the thread before.
 
StrangeCargo said:
Alot of guys don't keep a water bowl in the tanks and let them get their water/moisture through the mice they eat. I plan on injecting the f/t mice with water prior to feeding. I just finished soaking them and each drank for some time (I'm sure it's like a desert rainstorm where ALL the animals fill up on water). I'll soak them once a week or so to make sure they stay hydrated.

I love a challenge and plan on devoting all my resources into raising/breeding these guys...
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That's very cool, that they are so adapted to desert life. Sounds like the westernmost part of Texas would be closer to their natural environment. Would they need a DE-humidifier if you kept them in a super humid part of the USA? Do they need a big seasonal variation in temps (it can get quite cold in the winter in some US desert areas)? Do they utilize condensation from dew the way some other desert adapted animals do?

Now you've got me really interested in how their biology is different! Neat stuff as well as gorgeous to look at.
 
i have one tip DON'T GET BIT
But really nice snake i don't think he/she lies their pics taken
 
StrangeCargo said:
I understand. I've kept reptiles for over 25 years. The decision to keep venomous/hot reptiles is a big step. They require your upmost RESPECT and concentration. It's usually not "IF" you'll get bit but "WHEN". I consider myself a very responsible keeper. Too many keepers get jaded in their daily care routines around hots- although you learn an animals personality, you should NEVER TRUST or assume they'll act a certain way.

Shift boxes are used when possible. If animals need to be touched (injections/medication, sexing, etc.) they are properly "tubed"- I do everything I can to avoid ever touching them. Venomous animals are kept outside in a locked building inside LOCKED and LABELED caging.

I don't wanna sidetrack my picture thread BUT it was a good point that I felt like should be addressed- Irresponsible keepers (venomous or not) makes our entire hobby look bad to the general public if/when incidents happen.

:)
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ALL TRUE!!! WELL SAID!

By the way...haven't forgot about that custom hot box...should have some prototypes coming in October....mabye. ;)
 
I don't think I'd ever be brave enough to keep hots, but let me tell you those pictures made me think twice about it!

Simply beautiful!
 
MohrSnakes said:
ALL TRUE!!! WELL SAID!

By the way...haven't forgot about that custom hot box...should have some prototypes coming in October....mabye. ;)
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Thanks everyone!

Awesome Jeff- Your woodworking skills are amazing. I'd love to pick up a nice custom Hot Box- no one is making them,..if they did, it'd probably be that cheap ABS plastic... I'd love to pick up a quality wood one I could use for years! BTW: Congrats again on the PhD!
 
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