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Can you beat the 3yr turn over? Well...
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Shiari
Blutterer
Slightly off topic: Wow... one little comment from me sparked all of this. I am terribly amused. 
On topic: Chad, while you did not explicitly say "Start breeding at age 2, they do fine and dandy!", you did say it implicitly by not mentioning any of the potential hazards. I was 5'3" when I was 11, certainly "big enough" to have babies. But despite my ovaries giving the green light, the rest of me was not ready. The same can be said for corn snakes.
On topic: Chad, while you did not explicitly say "Start breeding at age 2, they do fine and dandy!", you did say it implicitly by not mentioning any of the potential hazards. I was 5'3" when I was 11, certainly "big enough" to have babies. But despite my ovaries giving the green light, the rest of me was not ready. The same can be said for corn snakes.
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
Chad, it's not what you said. It's what you didn't say that could give people the wrong impression/advice.
Wayne
Wayne
chad27
New member
I see ur point. But just because risk are not listed does not mean that one says that none are There.
chad27
New member
I know Wayne. Its all in how its taken.
Shiari
Blutterer
By not saying it, you implied that there were not problems.
Here, you seem to be having problems with the word "implied"
im·ply
/ɪmˈplaɪ/ Show Spelled[im-plahy] Show IPA
–verb (used with object),-plied, -ply·ing.
1. to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith.
2.(of words) to signify or mean.
3.to involve as a necessary circumstance: Speech implies a speaker.
Here, you seem to be having problems with the word "implied"
im·ply
/ɪmˈplaɪ/ Show Spelled[im-plahy] Show IPA
–verb (used with object),-plied, -ply·ing.
1. to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith.
2.(of words) to signify or mean.
3.to involve as a necessary circumstance: Speech implies a speaker.
Jay@PJCReptiles
"Quality Before Quantity"
Little things? I will leave that one alone as well. I could respond to that and humiliate you a 100 different ways with that one but I will leave that to the imaginations of the other members of CS.com. Nevermind the little things. The big picture here is that you have basically hijacked and almost ruined a very good thread with your belly aching about people disagreeing with you and your incomplete information. Why don't you stick to your usual posts like "Nice snake", "Great Picture" or "If I had the money I would buy that" kind of stuff until you do actually get some experience under your belt.
Jay
chad27
New member
Little things? I will leave that one alone as well. I could respond to that and humiliate you a 100 different ways with that one but I will leave that to the imaginations of the other members of CS.com. Nevermind the little things. The big picture here is that you have basically hijacked and almost ruined a very good thread with your belly aching about people disagreeing with you and your incomplete information. Why don't you stick to your usual posts like "Nice snake", "Great Picture" or "If I had the money I would buy that" kind of stuff until you do actually get some experience under your belt.
Jay
100 ways wow. You got jokes LOL. Humiliate me i think Not. LOL pmpl
chad27
New member
Little things? I will leave that one alone as well. I could respond to that and humiliate you a 100 different ways with that one but I will leave that to the imaginations of the other members of CS.com. Nevermind the little things. The big picture here is that you have basically hijacked and almost ruined a very good thread with your belly aching about people disagreeing with you and your incomplete information. Why don't you stick to your usual posts like "Nice snake", "Great Picture" or "If I had the money I would buy that" kind of stuff until you do actually get some experience under your belt.
Jay
Oh you have been talking alot your self. I am not the only hijacker.
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
Keep messin with the bull and your gonna get the horns boy'o. :shrugs:
This can't end well!
Just sayin!
Wayne
chad27
New member
Well im not The only one bickering here.
chad27
New member
I understand that error. But im out going to music class. Wayne your right this wont end Well. Its not worth It.
Jim Godfrey
Not In The Click
I have an ultramel that double-clutched last year at two years of age. Fifteen eggs in her first clutch eight in the second and 100% hatched. My greenish rat snake hets bred this year at two. Three snakes, forty eggs, no slugs. I have seen w/c corns less than thirty inches long lay after being caught gravid. If you poll the best known breeders in the business I'd be willing to bet that all of them breed at two if they feel the snake is ready. Doesn't make it the right thing to do always, but I point to the first post in this thread. It discussed the odds of producing a target snake and the time it takes to do it. One year can make a big difference to someone who makes a living producing cutting-edge morphs. I have some two year old females that are of proper size for breeding and some that are not. In reviewing their feeding records I see that the ones that reach acceptable size started off as aggressive feeders and stay that way. The smaller females have had a history, if only for brief periods during their lives, of refusing the occasional food offering. I feel that if a breeder uses good judgement in choosing whether or not to breed a two year old animal fewer problems will result.
Asbit
So Many Morphs...
To the OP while I do agree with you that it is a drag that most projects take a min of 3-6 yrs or more. I am fine with it, as I am one of those people who would much rather take as few risks as possible with my animals as possible. So for me if I have to wait 3 yrs or more for a female to be ready for a project that is just fine! I would rather her be ok first, then second her produce a great clutch for me. I at this point am also leaning towards not even using males unless they are at least 2, 2 and 2 as the majority of what I have read seems to point to better fertility rates if your wait for those markers with males. Now as I have not started to breed yet, my females are not ready, I can not compare the fertility rates of males based on the rule of 2's and those earlier than that.
Bottom line breeding for me is about
1. The safety of my animals
2. The quality of what I produce, (physically and health wise)
3. The condition of the animals I sell
Bottom line breeding for me is about
1. The safety of my animals
2. The quality of what I produce, (physically and health wise)
3. The condition of the animals I sell
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
Sometimes its not that you could, but if you should. A six month dog could breed. Does that mean you should breed it? An 11 year old child could have babies. Does that mean they should?
Ethics my friend, Ethics! Is it ethical to breed an animal, just because you can?
Wayne