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Medical Marijuana - Welcome to the club Washington DC

Chris, I'm not so sure about outright legal, but Denmark, Belgium, and the Netherlands are all super cool for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is staying out of people's business, and not going whacko over small amounts of marijuana.

But hey, these are countries that've been maturing into political entities for at least the last 2000 (instead of 200) years,...what do they know.

We do have a policy of tolerance out here (Belgium). As long as it's about small amounts "for personal use". So you can have a few grams of pot on your person (don't remember how much exactly), and I believe you can have one or two marihuana plants at your home.
It does get a little strange as to how you get it. Buying pot is illegal. So you can have it, but you're not allowed to buy it. :D
But as long as it's not too much, you won't be bothered about where and how you got it... Kind of odd there right? :D Oh well... I don't hear anybody complain.
I guess it's a solution in between banning it and completely legalising it.
 
I could live with that solution any day.

I would like Vicki or Teddy to show me evidence that marijuana causes people to kill each other. PCP, coke, and LSD have been known to make people aggressive, hallucinate, and yes react violently, but pot? No, sorry pot does not do that there are no pink elephants floating around my house right now nor giants chasing after me. I would also like to see evidence THC enhances depression because in states where it is legal it is used to alleviate depression not create it so I'm a little confused apparently. Drug violence again stems from the fact drugs are illegal leaving us with drug dealers who sure commit violent crimes. However, imagine drugs become legal and the government is able to produce and distribute pot cheaper than the dealers which would be quite easy. What would happen to our drug related violence then? It would disappear because their would no longer be any competition on the market. Marijuana plants produce their own seeds for regrowth and need water, soil, and UV lighting to grow- so the cost to produce marijuana is cheaper than any pharmaceutical, the cost of smuggling drugs in, and the cost of most OTC drugs. How can some of you not see how much money our government could generate by legalizing pot? Tax it, grow it creating jobs, and sell it again creating jobs and making money all the while emptying prisons of pot heads and putting drug dealers out of business- we could end the war on drugs, stimulate our economy, and reduce unemployment by changing a simple and pointless law:)
 
I could live with that solution any day.

I would like Vicki or Teddy to show me evidence that marijuana causes people to kill each other. PCP, coke, and LSD have been known to make people aggressive, hallucinate, and yes react violently, but pot? No, sorry pot does not do that there are no pink elephants floating around my house right now nor giants chasing after me. I would also like to see evidence THC enhances depression because in states where it is legal it is used to alleviate depression not create it so I'm a little confused apparently. Drug violence again stems from the fact drugs are illegal leaving us with drug dealers who sure commit violent crimes. However, imagine drugs become legal and the government is able to produce and distribute pot cheaper than the dealers which would be quite easy. What would happen to our drug related violence then? It would disappear because their would no longer be any competition on the market. Marijuana plants produce their own seeds for regrowth and need water, soil, and UV lighting to grow- so the cost to produce marijuana is cheaper than any pharmaceutical, the cost of smuggling drugs in, and the cost of most OTC drugs. How can some of you not see how much money our government could generate by legalizing pot? Tax it, grow it creating jobs, and sell it again creating jobs and making money all the while emptying prisons of pot heads and putting drug dealers out of business- we could end the war on drugs, stimulate our economy, and reduce unemployment by changing a simple and pointless law:)

The only problem with this post is that it will fall entirely on deaf ears. Teddy and VickyChaiTea cannot provide a single referance for ANY of their baseless claims, yet they continue to make these claims as if they are fact.

The sad reality is that the entire opposition against legalization is based on myth and fallacy, rather than scientific data. What's even sadder is that politicians will cater to this level of ignorance, and increase fears in an effort to garner votes from the people they are lying to. And the public will keep swallowing these lies without ever asking for proof.

And has been shown so thoroughly in this topic, when actual scientific evidence to counter these baseless claims is offered, the opposition covers their eyes and plugs their ears singing, "La-la-la. I can't hear you. La-la-la. If I don't acknowledge it, it isn't real. La-la-la.", all the while blissfully unaware of the sheer ridiculousness of their arguments and the utter failure that their prohibition ideas have always and will always be.

It's enough to make any reasonable person want to smoke a joint...
 
Drug violence again stems from the fact drugs are illegal leaving us with drug dealers who sure commit violent crimes. However, imagine drugs become legal and the government is able to produce and distribute pot cheaper than the dealers which would be quite easy. What would happen to our drug related violence then? It would disappear because their would no longer be any competition on the market.

Umm, no. I am a supporter of legalizing MJ, but if marijuana becomes legal I suspect drug violence will continue unabated, because the $$ drugs are opiates & cocaine, and the US government is NEVER going to legalize those.
 
It's enough to make any reasonable person want to smoke a joint...

Wish I actually liked the stuff, because if I did I would be tempted too. I am a nonuser, but based on the evidence, pro & con, available to me, it seems that although a few people have MJ related difficulties, the vast majority of people use it responsibly, akin to the fact that alcohol is legal and most people who use it use it responsibly, so why not legalize it. It's a darn sight safer than tobacco, which is legal but lethal and HIGHLY ADDICTIVE.
 
The illegal marijuana industry is a HUGE component of what funds the drug cartels though. If we legalize it, we take a whole lot of wind out of their sails.
 
If we legalize it, we take a whole lot of wind out of their sails.
And "sales". Excellent opportunity for a pun. :D ;)

This was one of my three principle points....in 1981.

Along with de-mystifying it. All that has been deemed ~taboo~ (oh woo woo)....is exactly what the young and impressionable make a beeline for as soon as parents turn their backs.
Aannndddddd....what leaves the residual guilt and disdain in the hearts and minds of those who grew up in families where mom and dad succeeded in "mystifying" the mundane, in general, using scare tactics.**

**See various previous posts.
 
The illegal marijuana industry is a HUGE component of what funds the drug cartels though. If we legalize it, we take a whole lot of wind out of their sails.

As a staunch advocate for recreational legalization, I just don't buy this as legitimate.

Marijuana is not a big money making drug. It is a GIANT space consumer during transportation, has a very distinct, non-maskable odor that even the most popular methods can't hide from a good dog, and requires a ton of man-hours and labor to move in to the country.

A small-time, pot-only dealer growing his own supply can make a few bucks here and there, sure. But these people are not creating the violence and devestation associated with drug cartels and drug-related gang violence.

The gangs and cartels relying on the illegal drug trade for moeny and profits are working in chemicals, pills and powders. These drugs take up a minimal amount of space during transportation, are very easy to hide, generally have little or no odor that is comparatively easily masked, even from the best dogs, and generate HUGE profits at the street level.

To these violence-driven drug machines, marijuana is the necessary sandbag that weighs down their operations. If they are moving 500kilos of cocain in from Colombia, why not bring 500 pounds of pot with it? Sure...it takes up twice the space for less than half the weight, and only 1/10 the profit margin. But the plane is already being loaded, the men are already on scene to do the work, and even a coke head might want to toke a bowl before calling it a night, so it's extra money.

But gone are the days when a private Cessna could smuggle a couple thousand pounds of pot in from Mexico and air-drop it in to Arizona over the course of a weekend. Nobody smokes that SWAG anymore, anyhow...it ain't worth squat on the market.

If pot were legalized at a Federal Level, the bottom line of these cartels would not be impacted very much, in my estimation. Neither would the violence associated with drugs. This money and violence is generated from hard drugs and hard core users.

Where you WILL see a huge difference is in the bottom line of the government. The amount of money spent to house multiple millions of non-violent, pot-only offenders in our state and federal penitentiaries, the amount of money earned from an entire industry of cultivation, processing, and sale of marijuana, the multiple trillions of dollars used to track down, arrest, and prosecute non-violent, pot-only offenders...All of this money will have a HUGE impact on our National Economy and our debt as a country.

But legalizing pot won't effect drug cartels very much. It's just not their "money maker"...
 
And "sales". Excellent opportunity for a pun. :D ;)

This was one of my three principle points....in 1981.

In 1981, I would have agreed with you. I just don't think this facet is as relevant today as it was almost 30 years ago. Not at a time when a pill that costs $.10 to manufacture sells for $20 on the street, and weighs less than 1/10 gram to transport, and you can get higher potency pot from your backyard than you could ever hope to find at street level...
 
Chris, I was speaking in general terms. Taking "profits" from sellers' coffers, and via taxation, delivering the "funds" into the fine, wise, elegant, and trustworthy hands of our federal government to use "for the good of all",...as they are wont to do. *rolls eyes*

Remember, at 18, I was pure of heart,...idealistic, naive, not the least bit cynical (well, maybe a little) and out to save/liberate the world.
My parents did a pretty good job, I think, at not drumming the mystical and taboo into my tender young optimistic skull.
 
I haven't participated in this thread and don't intend to. I just wanted to say that I am amazed at how well informed Chris is on all the different types of drugs and the effects on people and the relative health dangers they may pose. He knows all the statistics about how much they are used and how they contribute to crime and .. and well just everything. I've never met someone who know absolutely everything about a subject let alone many subjects.
 
I haven't participated in this thread and don't intend to. I just wanted to say that I am amazed at how well informed Chris is on all the different types of drugs and the effects on people and the relative health dangers they may pose. He knows all the statistics about how much they are used and how they contribute to crime and .. and well just everything. I've never met someone who know absolutely everything about a subject let alone many subjects.
Wade, will you be my godfather?
 
I haven't participated in this thread and don't intend to. I just wanted to say that I am amazed at how well informed Chris is on all the different types of drugs and the effects on people and the relative health dangers they may pose. He knows all the statistics about how much they are used and how they contribute to crime and .. and well just everything. I've never met someone who know absolutely everything about a subject let alone many subjects.

Yea...it pays to read a book occasionally...to become interested in things outside of oneself and one's own comfort zone.

It also helps to have an open mind, allow yourself to be educated, and occasionally to step down from one's high horse. I know that is foreign behavior to some, but...it helps.

You sure do have a funny way of not participating in threads. By all means, wade, if you've something of intelligence and intellect to add to the conversation, be my guest...
 
I heard tyflier mention that it caused depression, and I figured that since he was so well read in the subject that he's know. *shrugs*

Who cares if you hurt yourself? Your family, your friends, your neighbors, heck sometimes even strangers! Don't jump to the conclusion that just because the government regulates ONE thing that it will regulate EVERYTHING.

"Lots of people in this country drink but would NEVER drink and drive it isn't right to make alcohol illegal just because someone will, deal with the someone who drinks and drives and leave the people who are minding their business and being responsible alone."

Ok, this, I think alot of people will disagree with you on. including me. http://www.freelegaladvicehelp.com/...People-Die-Every-Year-From-Drunk-Driving.html says: "According to the statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 40 percent of total traffic deaths are due to drunk driving. In 2006, an estimated 17,941 people died due to alcohol-related vehicle accidents."

That's not a small number. Those people died because either they drank and drive or someone ELSE drank and drove. People left and right are getting addicted to it and slowly killing themselves and their relationships with other people. It's disgusting and needs to be banned. Don't even try to defend alcohol.

You want proof? Ok, since you randomly discredited my links without even telling me why, here you go.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/18/marijuana.cancer/
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001143.htm
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Marijuana

As for your norml links to opposition, among those were a christian web site and SCIENTOLOGY web site... not exactly experts on pot.
 
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