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kathylove
Pragmatic & Logical
Lest anyone think that scientists are totally above skewing results, just take a look at some of the recent python studies. ALL of the pythons in the SC experiment died in the cold weather. Yet the conclusion drawn was that it didn't really mean that they couldn't survive there - even though the experimenters tried to provide the most optimal native conditions possible for survival. Of course, their conclusion was that more studies (and funding!) were needed to be sure! They have an agenda just like everyone else.
But if you look at the actual methods and the results yourself, rather than relying on their conclusions, you can decide for yourself whether the study was valid or flawed, and what the logical results seem to be.
However, I think that if your personal experience has been mostly with people who have abused substances, then your expectations may be that it is true of most people in general. But at 20, I don't think you could have met enough people in enough different walks of life to make generalizations yet.
But if you look at the actual methods and the results yourself, rather than relying on their conclusions, you can decide for yourself whether the study was valid or flawed, and what the logical results seem to be.
However, I think that if your personal experience has been mostly with people who have abused substances, then your expectations may be that it is true of most people in general. But at 20, I don't think you could have met enough people in enough different walks of life to make generalizations yet.
Nanci
Alien Lover
So I'm still stuck on why is murder against the law; not being positive it is morality based. This is the earliest reference to it that I could find, from 2100-2050 BC.
And some interesting quotes about libertarianism.
And some interesting quotes about libertarianism.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Thanks, Nanci, I love this list.
"Three kur of barley per iku of field" sounds a bit harsh. But "ordeal by water/river ordeal" sounds like a party.[/sarcasm font]
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rexracer
Addict in the making
I don't know. The first sounds like a minor fine...but the second could be anything! Maybe 200 kilos of rocks tied around your neck, drop you mid stream and you're innocent if you make it out?
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
So you're going to punish the people who do nothing wrong because of the bad apples?
Not everyone talks on their cell phone while driving. But some do, and sometimes they cause accidents. So lets ban cell phones... that way we know for sure that no one will be talking on one while driving.
Does that sound a little over the top?
Perhaps we can just make it illegal to talk on a cell phone while driving?
Well...
(Not everyone drinks and drives. But some do, and sometimes they cause accidents. So lets ban alcohol... that way we know for sure that no one will be drinking while driving)
alcohol - not necessary
cell phones - not necessary
Of course, this ignores the fact that even if alcohol were to be made illegal, people would still be making it and consuming it.
Tavia
Elemental Exotics
I didn't look at the links yet. I do know that the Romans would put someone that had been found guilty of patricide in a bag with a live dog, a rooster & one other animal I can't remember right now but I think it might have been a pig. Then they'd throw the bag in a river. Guess the murderer would be torn apart by the animals before they had a chance to drown. Not especially fair to the animals.
VickyChaiTea
Snake enthusiast
I personally have nothing against making all the "Vicky laws" that she wants, as long as they only apply to her! That way she can feel safe from herself.
Haha, already there!
I don't drink or smoke anything! And wow, I didn't think I would actually have to explain why alcohol is bad for your health here. I thought that was really just a given.
Increases risk of gouty arthritis
Increases the risk of cancer in the liver, pancreas, rectum, breast, mouth, pharynx, larynx and esophagus
Causes physical and behavioral abnormalities in the fetus
Raises blood pressure, blood lipids and the risk of stroke and heart disease in heavy drinkers. Heart disease is generally lower in light to moderate drinkers.
Raises blood glucose or lowers blood glucose, especially for people with diabetes
Enlarges the kidneys, alters hormone functions, and increases the risk of kidney failure
Causes fatty liver, alcoholic hepatitis and cirrhosis
Increases the risk of protein-energy malnutrition,; low intakes of protein, calcium, iron, vitamin A, vitamin C, thiamine, vitamin B6 and riboflavin, and impaired absorption of calcium, phosphorus, vitamin D and zinc.
Causes neuropathy and dementia; impairs balance and memory
Increases energy intake, but not a primary cause of obesity
Causes depression, anxiety and insomnia
Taken from http://www.healthchecksystems.com/alcohol.htm
And for your information, I have not been around anybody under the influence of something and had them do something stupid, harmful to others, or dangerous. So no, it's not about my experiences with people around me. It's about whether or not it hurts somebody, even the person who is using it.
Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
I don't think any of those symptoms apply to responsible drinkers.Haha, already there!
And wow, I didn't think I would actually have to explain why alcohol is bad for your health here. I thought that was really just a given.
I really meant act like idiots, say dumb things they consider profound, and similar milder side effects of a young person under the influence.
I was checking on life expectancy between drinkers and non-drinkers in the developed world. I kept finding the same numbers. It seems even raging alcoholics outlive non-drinkers: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20015159-10391704.html
If you're talking about not letting anyone hurt themselves, you can't let them NOT drink!
Gulf Coast Girl
Newbie :)
Your view on marijuana use may never change, however I can pretty much guarantee you that your view on how much control the government should have over you will change as you get older
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ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
I don't know, I think it's entirely possible for even responsible drinkers to have an increased risk for any of those due to drinking...but I also think that is beyond the point.
Vicky thinks it is the governments job to regulate anything that is possibly harmful/dangerous/immoral. I am not sure exactly why she wants the government to hold such a strong power over us, the people. Why she wants the government to take away our options. Why she wants them to take away our rights, in the name of "protecting us from ourselves".
Obviously laws are needed for certain activities which inflict or have a high possibility of inflicting harm on others and infringe upon our inalienable rights (like murder, driving while intoxicated, stealing, etc...)
But the government are not there to act as our parents, to hold our hands. I know the possible dangers and risks associated with alcohol that may effect my body, I'm not stupid. I don't want government watching over my shoulder like big brother telling me what I can do, when I can do it, how I can do it, what I can eat, what I can drink. What kind of life is that?
I can only hope that as the years go on, and she has more experiences with the government trying to take away or infringe upon the things she enjoys, that she will come to understand why so many of us are against the government having as much power as she would give them.
I don't know if any of that made sense because I just woke up from a nap and am still kind of loopy :laugh:, but I think my main point is there.
JoannaD
Formerly known as jodu
Both of those articles were written in reference to one study. The press loves to write about studies like that because people will read it! I have not done research to look at whether there are other studies on the topic but please do not put faith in one study. I have not read the study but I have my doubts about how well done it was or how reliable it may be.
All of the possible effects of alcohol on the body that were listed are true. It is unclear how much someone needs to drink in order to suffer from those effects. It is known that women are much more likely to suffer medical problems from lower intake of alcohol than men and there are some studies that suggest that even one drink a day for women will increase their risk of breast cancer.
Many smokers will never get lung disease, heart disease, vascular disease or cancer we still know that smoking definitely increases the probability of getting these diseases. No one can predict how much smoking is too much for one person.
I am not discussing whether or not any of these substances should be legalized or not but please don't kid yourselves into thinking that they do not pose health hazards.
Outcast
ATPSS
Honestly I think American was under such a government at one time, and the only way they got out from underneath the Tyranny was by Revolution. I am pretty sure that if our elected officials begin taking away too many more freedoms than they already have, then we will have another Revolutionary war on our hands... Wait wait, never mind, It will be a Civil War. Hmmm... maybe I should write a alternate present day fiction book about such a war....
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
You want to know what's funny....I was working through an idea today at work about a novel based on ideas I got from this thread :laugh: I do that a lot at work....think of ideas for books.
Outcast
ATPSS
LOL, yeah I have 3 or 4 ideas for some Middle grade to Young Adult fantasy novels rolling around in my mind. One I started about 6 years ago and my brother wiped it from the face of the earth when he reformatted my computer. I was so angry... It needed a lot of editing, because of all of the trademarked stuff in it, but that stuff would have been easy to fix... not now though...LOL
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
Yeah I'm constantly writing down ideas. I don't know if I'll ever use them though lol. I did NaNoWriMo last year and finished, but was not happy with the end result so I didn't pursue any further editing on it.