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War with North Korea

Tara80

ACR Breeder # 787
Think it's going to happen; or do you think they're just bluffing again?
It certainly wouldn't last long, if it happened.

Personally, I think the Country needs to fall, for the good of the people.

'The situation is critical, war is probably just hours away': Kim Jong Un's chilling email to British tour boss who had ten tourists including one Brit on holiday in Pyongyang


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-Uns-chilling-message-British-tour-boss.html

LATEST PROPAGANDA STATEMENT RELEASED BY NORTH KOREA IN FULL
Kim Jong Un Convenes Operation Meeting, Finally Examines and Ratifies Plan for Firepower Strike - Pyongyang, March 29 (KCNA)
The moves of the U.S. imperialists to violate the sovereignty of the DPRK and encroach upon its supreme interests have entered a grave phase.

Not content with letting B-52 make sorties over south Korea in succession despite the repeated warnings, they made B-2A stealth strategic bomber and other strategic strike means fly from Whiteman air force base in Missouri State, the U.S. over south Korea on March 28 for the first time in history to commit such dangerous provocation as openly staging a drill for striking ground targets of the DPRK.

This fully proves that the brigandish ambition of the U.S. imperialists for aggression to stand in confrontation with the DPRK has reached an extreme phase defying the meaningful warning made by its revolutionary armed forces in the March 26 statement of the Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army.

In view of the prevailing grim situation, Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army Marshal Kim Jong Un, first secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea and first chairman of the National Defence Commission of the DPRK, convened an urgent operation meeting on the KPA Strategic Rocket Force's performance of duty for firepower strike at the Supreme Command at 00:30 Friday.

Present there were Hyon Yong Chol, chief of the KPA General Staff, Ri Yong Gil, director of the Operation Bureau, Kim Yong Chol, director of the General Reconnaissance Bureau, and Kim Rak Gyom, commander of the Strategic Rocket Force.

At the meeting he first received a report from General Kim Yong Chol, who is also vice chief of the General Staff of the KPA, on the information about the nature of action of the nuclear strike means of the U.S. imperialist aggressor forces.

After receiving a report from Lieut. General Kim Rak Gyom on the technical conditions of the strategic strike means of the KPA, he made an important decision.

He said he has judged the time has come to settle accounts with the U.S. imperialists in view of the prevailing situation.

If they make a reckless provocation with huge strategic forces, the KPA should mercilessly strike the U.S. mainland, their stronghold, their military bases in the operational theaters in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in south Korea, he said. He examined and finally ratified the plan of the Strategic Rocket Force for firepower strike.

The U.S. imperialists let B-2A make sorties over south Korea in succession, indicating once again that their hostile acts against the DPRK have entered a reckless phase, going beyond the phase of threat and blackmail, he said.

B-2A's flight to the sky above south Korea is not a simple demonstration of forces in reaction to the tough stand of the DPRK but an ultimatum that they will ignite a nuclear war at any cost on the Korean Peninsula, he noted, underlining the need to put a definite end to the times when they could threaten and blackmail the DPRK with nukes.

He declared the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK would react to the U.S. nuclear blackmail with a merciless nuclear attack, and war of aggression with an all-out war of justice.

He finally signed the plan on technical preparations of strategic rockets of the KPA, ordering them to be standby for fire so that they may strike any time the U.S. mainland, its military bases in the operational theaters in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in south Korea.

He said the enemies are bringing dark clouds of a nuclear war testing the DPRK's self-restraint, adding the DPRK can no longer tolerate this. He ordered the KPA to blow up and reduce everything to ashes at a single strike, if an order is issued.

He said the heroic service personnel of the KPA and all other people, their hearts burning with irrepressible resentment at the reckless war provocation moves of the U.S. imperialists, are now waiting for a final order of the WPK Central Committee, hardening their will to turn out in a do-or-die battle with the enemies.

The KPA will never remain a passive onlooker to the U.S. imperialists' frantic moves for aggression but do its best to defend the destiny of the country and nation, he said.

It is the truth confirmed by history that no force on earth can hold in check the people all out for the just cause, he noted, stressing if an undesired war breaks out on this land again due to the consequences of the unpardonable action of the U.S. imperialists, it will bring them a shameful ruin and the Korean nation will greet the bright day of national reunification.

The important decision made by him under the grave situation where the Korean Peninsula has been pushed to the brink of a nuclear war by the U.S. imperialists will mark a turning point in putting an end to the history of the long-standing showdown with the U.S. and opening a new phase of history
 
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-official-warns-regime-is-no-paper-tiger?lite

Posted 30 minutes ago: "North Korea says rockets on standby to strike US"

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Word on the street is...... no :nope:

That's what i thought. :)

But then, I had the thought that perhaps...at some point in the recent past, we could have SOLD them the tech. to build such things....... It's happened before.
 
If China stays out of it Korea will be reunited but under a new leader ...north Korea doesn't have the cap to hit much further then at max range cali..... They would have to nuc themselves the kill the military in south Korea .... Without China north Korea has there cartoons of blowing up America to believe true... I will rejoin the marines just to have a chance of a shotat Kim jong
 
Kim Jong Il Jr. is probably worse than his father. The people are starving, even the military now. They are given nothing but propaganda, and told that without "Dear Leader" they would be even worse off. All dissidents are jailed and never heard from again, and people are given food for reporting their neighbors. They are forced to love their Dear Leader.
 
Korea by itself is a non issue. It would be suicide of the entire country to launch a missile at us. The whole country could be turned into molten glass.

Yeah, but on the other hand, if China sides with Korea, then the USA's hands will be pretty much tied. Much of the stuff we now buy from China we can no longer make here at home. And considering how much money the USA now owes China, would they declare war on us for defaulting on those loans?

Seriously if any individual owed a hostile regime like China substantial amounts of money, they would be denied a security clearance for such a circumstance. But somehow it is OK if major figures OK such loans, compromising their decisions concerning anything that might involve China. Does that make sense? :nope:

IMHO, of course.
 
From the news reports I've read thus far, feeling is that behind the scenes China is starting to lose patience with N Korea. Now that it's effectively a major player in the global economy, it doesn't make sense for China to side against the US, for the sake of propping up an ideology which is even starting to drift out of focus in China itself.
 
Another big player that I would be interested in seeing their reaction would be Russia. I know China has said they will still side with North Korea. Here's an article from March 9th China Will Not Abandon North Korea. Granted that was before the rapidly escalating events, but I'm sure there's a TON of politics and whatever else going on somewhere right now lol.

China has benefits on both sides, if there is a war and N. Korea is taken out, that would create a unified Korea bordering China, a DEMOCRATIC unified Korea that will also bring US Military bases. Right now it has a buffer zone ally in the form of N. Korea. Then on the other side, you have the massive economic toll it would take on the Chinese economy if it were to break ties with the US. The Chinese bought a US debt and they would be out all that money, not to mention the income from exporting products to the US and its allies. The most I see China doing is possibly supplying N. Korea with more food, supplies, and possibly small arms. Plus, China was getting pretty fed up with N. Korea shenanigans after their 3rd nuclear test (2003, 2006, and 2013), so who knows.

As for the capabilities of N. Korea's missiles and military in general, I don't think they pose any real threat to the mainland US. The country is in shambles, the poverty and level of living there is pathetic, so I can't see how a county that can't even provide for it's people being capable of accurate long range attacks and being able to support its troops if it did try and fight a military the size of the USA's unless they were supported by Chinese troops (which is very unlikely). I think this dog is all bark and no bite in this fight, but still wants to play hardball and will learn the hard way that that's a bad plan.
 
The father in me hopes there isn't a war .... But the marine in me say let's crush that roach... And then become stronger allies with China by letting them run north Korea and teach them how things should be done
 
Sounds like China is starting to turn its back on NK. I think they've had enough too, at this point.
 
I read somewhere that China was sending more troops to the NK border. This screams to me that they want to protect their investments here in the USA... I guess owing so much money to China actually pays off in some ways?
 
Posted Today. Sounds like we've had enough, and possibly even China.
http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Admiral-We-can-intercept-a-North-Korean-missile-202145671.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defenses could intercept a ballistic missile launched by North Korea, the top U.S. military commander in the Pacific said Tuesday, as the relationship between the West and the communist government hit its lowest ebb since the end of the Korean War.

Adm. Samuel Locklear, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that Kim Jong Un, the country's young and still relatively untested new leader, has used the past year to consolidate his power.

The admiral said Pyongyang's pursuit of nuclear weapons and long-range ballistic missiles represents a clear threat to the United States and its allies in the region.

During an exchange with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., Locklear said the U.S. military has the capability to thwart a North Korean strike, but he said a decision on whether a missile should be intercepted should be based on where it is aimed and expected to land.

"I believe we have the ability to defend the homeland, Guam, Hawaii and defend our allies," said Locklear, who added that it wouldn't take long to determine where a missile would strike.

Locklear concurred with McCain's assessment that the tension between North Korea and the West was the worst since the end of the Korean War in the early 1950s. But the admiral insisted that the U.S. military and its allies would be ready if North Korea tried to strike.

He said North Korea is keeping a large percentage of its combat forces along the demilitarized zone with South Korea, a position that allows the North to threaten U.S. and South Korean civilian and military personnel.

Locklear told the panel, "The continued advancement of the North's nuclear and missile programs, its conventional force posture and its willingness to resort to asymmetric actions as a tool of coercive diplomacy creates an environment marked by the potential for miscalculation. ..."

Increasingly bellicose rhetoric has come from Pyongyang and its leader, with North Korea urging foreign companies and tourists to leave South Korea and warning that the countries are on the verge of a nuclear war.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., told Locklear that the North Korean government's threats "appear to exceed its capabilities, and its use of what capabilities it has against the U.S. or our allies seems highly unlikely and would be completely contrary to the regime's primary goal of survival."

"Nonetheless, its words and actions are not without consequences," Levin said.

The Democrat questioned the Obama administration's decision to delay a long-scheduled operational test of an intercontinental ballistic missile amid the North Korea rhetoric.

Locklear said he agreed with the decision to delay the test.

"We have demonstrated to the people of the region, demonstrated to the leadership of North Korea, our ability and willingness to defend our nation, our people, our allies and our forward deployed forces," Locklear said, citing other steps the U.S. military has taken in recent weeks.

The U.S. has moved two of the Navy's missile-defense ships closer to the Korean peninsula, and a land-based system is being deployed to the Pacific territory of Guam. The U.S. also called attention to the annual U.S.-South Korean military exercise that included a practice run over South Korea by B-2 stealth bombers.

Levin mentioned that President Barack Obama recently talked to China's new president, Xi Jinping, about the U.S. efforts to deal with North Korea. Locklear said he has not had similar conversations with his Chinese counterparts.

In an exchange with Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, Locklear acknowledged a hotline connection between Washington and Beijing similar to what existed with Moscow during the Cold War, and said both sides need to move forward in continuing conversations.

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., insisted that North Korea's nuclear program could come to a "grinding halt" if China pressured Pyongyang.

Reflecting the uneasy relationship, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., asked Locklear if he considers China a "friend or a foe." Locklear said neither.

"I consider (China), at this point in time, someone we have to develop a strategic partnership with to manage competition between two world powers," Locklear said.

Locklear said Kim Jong Un has adopted pages from the playbook used by his father, Kim Jong Il, but his approach differs in a significant way. Kim Jong Un's father, as well as his grandfather, Kim Il Sung, made sure they had "off ramps" that gave them a way to exit a confrontation, particularly if the U.S. and its allies were willing to offer concessions. Kim Jong Un, Locklear said, appears not to have given himself channels that would help him ratchet down the tensions.

The admiral described Kim Jong Un as "an impetuous young leader (who) continues to focus on provocation rather than on his own people."

The scope of Locklear's responsibilities as the top officer at Pacific Command extend beyond the Korean peninsula, and he told the committee that his command is closely watching the proliferation of submarines among countries including China and Vietnam. Locklear said there are an estimated 300 submarines in the Pacific region, although he noted that no country there has an undersea force as capable as the United States'.

Both Russia and China are expected soon to deploy new ballistic missile submarines capable of threatening the United States, Locklear said. India is also expanding its submarine force, and Australia, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and South Korea have launched, or soon will, modern submarines.
 
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