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What's the different between...

ShelbyScott

Owned by Paisley
What is the difference between an amel, an ultra, and an ultramel? I was told by several people on the forum that my snake is an ultramel, but I don't know how they know that or what the differences are. I'm new to the world of cornsnakes and not good with morphs. Please help!
 
I have absolutely no idea. I'm not very good at identifying morphs, except for the easy ones. Pictures would probably help.
 
Hmm.. If everyone hadnt eaten today I could take a bunch of pics and post them for you. The most obvious difference, for me at least, are the eyes. But I couldn't tell you about ultra. I would take a look at iansvivarium, they have all the morphs posted there and you can look through the pics for reference.
 
Well Paisley has orange eyes with red pupils. I took some nice pics yesterday.
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Amel and ultra exist in the same location genetically. You can have an animal with two normal genes there, one normal and one amel gene (het amel), one normal and one ultra gene (het ultra), two amel genes (an amel), two ultra genes (an ultra), or one amel and one ultra gene (ultramel).

An amel cannot be het for ultra. A homozygous ultra cannot be het for amel.

Amelanistics lack all black pigment entirely. Ultra is a form of hypo (reduced black) and a homozygous ultra is often a little darker in color than an ultramel. Ultramels can be quite pale and look a lot like amels while still having some form of black pigment.

Your snake is a hypo-type, but looks very much like an amel so it is probably an ultramel. Lavas can also have almost amel-looking eyes, but they look different overall from your kiddo. Taken as a whole, your snake looks most like an ultramel.
 
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Thank you all for your kind words :) And thanks SO much to Shiari for that detailed explanation! So what you're saying is, the amelanistic gene and the ultra gene sort of "mix" instead of separating into het and homo genes?
 
Aren't amels more orange? I think you can rule that out. Paisley is beautiful! Very cute!

Not necessarily. There is nearly as much variation in amel as in normal. Then there are tons of other genes that may be in play that will affect color. Here are two amels from my collection that look very different.

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Thank you all for your kind words :) And thanks SO much to Shiari for that detailed explanation! So what you're saying is, the amelanistic gene and the ultra gene sort of "mix" instead of separating into het and homo genes?

ShelbyScott, here's a short answer.
Ultra and amel are genes that are allelic.
These genes are inherited from the parents' in a mendelian manner and are codominant.
Sorry I cannot find a punnet square with a's, u's, and N's.

Below is an impromptu example of what can happen on a gene, at the specific locus of these alleles.

Homozygous would be either :
NN = Normal
uu = ultra , or
aa = amel

Heterozygous would be either :
Na = normal, het amel
Nu = normal, het ultra , or
au = ultramel
 
Thank you all for your kind words :) and big thanks to vetusvates for your answer. It all makes sense to me now!
 
You are very welcome, ShelbyScott. And evidently a quick learner, LOL.

I must say, with all humility, that Shiari in post #7, said very much of the same thing I did in my later post, and she said it first. You said you were new to the world of morphs, and she provided a beautiful and articulate answer, in that context.

Note, cornsnakes have 36 chromosomes.
In almost all vertebrates that reproduce sexually (there are exceptions : asexual, parthenogenesis in some whiptail and racerunner lizards, and other oddballs in the animal world), a normal (without errors) new individual receives receives the exact same number from the mother and from the father. In this case, a cornsnake fertilized egg receives 18 chromosomes from its mother and 18 from its father. To total 36 in a healthy new young cornsnake.
So it receives either an N, a, or u from its mother. (One of these three gene alleles, in this example.)
And it receives either an N, a, or u from its father.
These gene pairs, NN, Na, Nu, ua, uu, or aa are called the genotype.
They work together (or one is dominant) to express a phenotype : what the snake is. "Looks like."
Chris has, in post #12, shown you an excellent photograph of the three phenotypes.
Looking at many many pictures will help you see how amel and ultra work together to produce visual phenotypes.
These, personally, are two of my several favorite genes, so talking about them is kind of fun.
Many people will tell you that an ultramel will look, in areas that in a normal cornsnake would be black, like the color of melted candle wax drippings. That is a very good short description.
Normal (NN, Nu, Na) cornsnakes have the most (normal) amount of melanin. Then ultra (uu), followed by ultramel (ua), then followed by amel (aa), of course, individuals of which have no melanin.
 
Ah yes! I love genetics. I think it's all very interesting. I forgot about codominance, which now that I remember it, makes so much more sense. There was no way for me to know what Paisley's parents were (she came from Petco) so I was hoping I could learn from her genetics. Thanks so much again!
 
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