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Ebola: It's In The US Now
- Thread starter Nanci
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vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Most of the MRSA I've seen are wound-associated or bacteremia/sepsis-associated.
Both of which often flair up in hospital settings,...the MRSA moving "mysteriously" down a hallway of patients.
If I were an MRSA and wanted to setup housekeeping in the bloodstream, I would enter at a wound, mucus membrane, or through the thinnest barrier possible between air and blood--the bronchial alveoli.
A good deep sputum specimen, in a hospital setting, often has streaks of blood in it. So, obviously, two-way traffic can occur across the bronchio-alveolar wall.
The patient history would indicate, and the attending physician and nurses and laboratory staff would know, the origin of the specimen, and of course where the MRSA "is".
Which, if it (MRSA) is available to the outside world (via sputum)...it is known by above hospital staff to be a not so law-abiding staphylococcus.
Both of which often flair up in hospital settings,...the MRSA moving "mysteriously" down a hallway of patients.
If I were an MRSA and wanted to setup housekeeping in the bloodstream, I would enter at a wound, mucus membrane, or through the thinnest barrier possible between air and blood--the bronchial alveoli.
A good deep sputum specimen, in a hospital setting, often has streaks of blood in it. So, obviously, two-way traffic can occur across the bronchio-alveolar wall.
The patient history would indicate, and the attending physician and nurses and laboratory staff would know, the origin of the specimen, and of course where the MRSA "is".
Which, if it (MRSA) is available to the outside world (via sputum)...it is known by above hospital staff to be a not so law-abiding staphylococcus.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Lovely development [/sarcasm font].
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_CHILDREN_MONITORED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-01-13-20-13
"He" had contact with 5 children.
Who then went to school................where there are lots of children.....drooling, slobbering, vomiting, scraping knees, peeling scabs, all the lovely, charming things that children do.
See...the theoretical potential of just how...simple and innocent...things seem...in the beginning.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_CHILDREN_MONITORED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-01-13-20-13
"He" had contact with 5 children.
Who then went to school................where there are lots of children.....drooling, slobbering, vomiting, scraping knees, peeling scabs, all the lovely, charming things that children do.
See...the theoretical potential of just how...simple and innocent...things seem...in the beginning.
Popcorn715
New member
But the children had no symptoms while at school and therefore couldn't spread it.
I work just a couple miles from Presby. Obviously some balls were dropped here, but I haven't seen anyone running around in hazmat suits. [emoji14]
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I work just a couple miles from Presby. Obviously some balls were dropped here, but I haven't seen anyone running around in hazmat suits. [emoji14]
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Nanci
Alien Lover
Well- most likely it's been contained...this time. Have we heard any news about how the government plans to prevent this from happening again?
Nanci
Alien Lover
I'm just curious- how did this patient get ebola in the first place? Okay- some friend/relative in Liberia was vomitting/diarrhea-ing all over the place, and he just happened to eat some of it? Obviously, it's spread in much less flashy ways- or 3000 people would have avoided it and not died. Including healthcare workers...
HerpsOfNM
My name's Blurryface...
My wife's not far from there either, out at UT Southwestern. Side story, one of her supervisors treated Nelson Mandela once, for TB I believe. Supposedly is a close family friend and was present for his funeral.
And now some humor....maybe too soon? :shrugs:
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
I think the "government"...ahem...is trying rather lamely to contain a number of _other_ things. Near _and_ far. Lamely.
"Government" used the word "unlikely" just the other day, when philosophizing on the subject of Ebola entering the USA. I am totally serious. Google it.
And it is NEVER too soon for humor, HerpsOfNM. Usually. Most of the time.
Popcorn715
New member
Honestly I doubt they can. My assumption is that thinking that was possible played a large role in getting this guy sent home with abx the first time. Hopefully this will at least be a lesson learned.
My DH worked at UT Southwestern when we first got married. Lots of cool stuff going on there, but I don't miss those weekend and late night runs to go feed the cells at all!
And thanks for the chuckle [emoji3]
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Shiari
Blutterer
I'm honestly surprised that I have yet to hear a conspiracy theory about ebola being put all over guns so that 'real patriots' will get it while we socialist godless muslim liberals (yes, I have seen those 4 words used, in that order, with no irony. I've also seen socialist replaced with fascist) who want to take away all guns won't get the disease and that way we'll selectively wipe out the Real True Americans.
I give it another 48 hours before I see that used in honesty. -_-
I give it another 48 hours before I see that used in honesty. -_-
Nanci
Alien Lover
For your reading pleasure, there are many threads on Reddit, including one mega-thread about the US patient.
Nanci
Alien Lover
This is how he became infected.
I guess I'm worried about it developing beach heads on every continent and becoming a periodic problem like influenza. And it's mutating all of the time, just like influenza, so there are a whole lot of dice being tossed around to have new and exciting variations pop up.
It's pretty much permanently established with one or more wild hosts in Africa. Someone please explain to me why that couldn't also happen in the USA. Do you think we can now wipe out West Nile Virus?
I'm not sure which line of thought I am more comfortable with: (1) There really is some sort of conspiracy afloat, or (2) the people in charge of the health infrastructure of this country are collectively as dumb as a box of rocks.
It's pretty much permanently established with one or more wild hosts in Africa. Someone please explain to me why that couldn't also happen in the USA. Do you think we can now wipe out West Nile Virus?
I'm not sure which line of thought I am more comfortable with: (1) There really is some sort of conspiracy afloat, or (2) the people in charge of the health infrastructure of this country are collectively as dumb as a box of rocks.
Shiari
Blutterer
The main speculation is that the reservoir population is bats, over in Africa. I know that other mammals can get it. My main concern would be it getting into the rodent populations, predominantly because of the number of predators that will scavenge carrion.
I guess extra emphasis on keeping dogs leashed and trained to a strong "leave it!", and keeping cats indoors might be in order, to prevent spread through domestic animals to humans.
I guess extra emphasis on keeping dogs leashed and trained to a strong "leave it!", and keeping cats indoors might be in order, to prevent spread through domestic animals to humans.
Nanci
Alien Lover
I read a statement along those lines yesterday. (It has come to light that the Dallas patient #1 vomited outside his apartment on the way to the hospital, for the second time.)
As the U.S. Is the only other country, iirc, to have a "wild" diagnosis of Ebola and how the U.S. Is indeed a part of the world, I feel posts about this are very important. Especially when it comes to containment.
If the next wild infection shows up in Turkey, Spain, Russia, or Australia, do they need their own subreddit too?
This affects us all. I'm not fear mongering. I'm not saying this is the end. But this isn't just an African problem, this isn't just a U.S, problem, this is a world problem.
I am, admittedly, a little on edge because of this development. I work in the city and commute to the suburbs. I have contact with a lot of people in a given day and I have a wide geographic profile (I travel 3 states everyday.) I walked passed a pile of vomit yesterday on the ground, who knows if it could have been hot with virus. What if someone fell in it? I didn't notice it right away. What if I stepped it'll it and later tied my shoe? Did I do it after the virus is no longer viable? Did I touch my face afterward? (The vomit thing actually happened, the rest is hypothetical)
The CDC says I have nothing to worry about but to wait 21 days for an all clear is a long ass time, considering people are arriving all the time from all over. Each time someone from an affected area touches down, that's a new 21 day clock where someone has to ask if they had any contact with anyone infectious.
The fact that we don't know how many are infected makes it a huge concern. Am I worried he infected others? A little. But they are tracked. But that doesn't stop the next wild infection from hitting Paris, London, DC, Sydney, or Moscow, then you have to track everything there. Each suspected cluster eats up manpower. I am convinced another infection will crop up in the US. But It will also in a dozen other nations too.
It can happen here. It can happen anywhere. The fact that you don't care what happens here just means you are checked out of the seriousness of the issue.
tsst
Deuce is watching!
Count me in the chicken little crowd.
A deadly disease with no known cure in a borderless world. There has obviously been no effort to isolate it to the outbreak areas. I have little to no faith in local containment. The first patient here with it has already contacted multiple children and vomited in public. Did they stop on way to hospital to clean up vomit? Or was it cleaned up by a local stray dog? Or worse, as Shiari pointed out, the local rat population. Has anyone seen what a petri dish children are in schools? While I appreciated some levity some may be self-deceptive in thinking this is not a serious issue.
A deadly disease with no known cure in a borderless world. There has obviously been no effort to isolate it to the outbreak areas. I have little to no faith in local containment. The first patient here with it has already contacted multiple children and vomited in public. Did they stop on way to hospital to clean up vomit? Or was it cleaned up by a local stray dog? Or worse, as Shiari pointed out, the local rat population. Has anyone seen what a petri dish children are in schools? While I appreciated some levity some may be self-deceptive in thinking this is not a serious issue.