snakemom1961
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There are a few ways of killing a mouse besides sticking it in the freezer. There's cervical dislocation for one. Do a search to find other ways, but freezing is about as inhumane as it gets.
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First live mouse for my corn
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There are a few ways of killing a mouse besides sticking it in the freezer. There's cervical dislocation for one. Do a search to find other ways, but freezing is about as inhumane as it gets.
Iguanagirl8662
Katie
And like I said I can't do that, and I didn't think abut how painful it was to put them in a freezer that's just what I was told to do. Well I just went out and bought supplies for a chamber and that is my weekend project now.
Iguanagirl8662
Katie
Oh I forgot to say thank you for letting me know, I do appreciate it.
Jynx
Digger, RN
Saying things like "disgusting" and "how cruel" are a little over the top don't you think? Yeah, his snake could've gone another week without a mouse, and yeah he could've killed it first... do you think he probably knew that? He was tending to the nutritional needs of his snake... thats not cruel, and all the "could'ves" aren't going to change anything. The snake is fine, and fed.
I'm sure that most of us fed our first snakes live because we didn't know any better, and that was acceptable. After the floggings this poor guy just took, I think everyone can sleep better knowing that he probably won't do it again, but give him a break. Some of those responses were completely uncalled for.
Live = bad... yes we know that (or most of us do) but that doesn't mean an automatic crucifixion whenever a snake eats a live mouse. Every person here has seen their snake eat... thats not disgusting.
I'm sure if people saw how I killed a live mouse or rat, they would be appalled... But it would still be dead.
To the OP, If you have a problem finding frozen mice, shoot me an email. I normally have a pretty good stock. Also, Petco and Petsmart are also now stocking frozen mice too.
I'm sure that most of us fed our first snakes live because we didn't know any better, and that was acceptable. After the floggings this poor guy just took, I think everyone can sleep better knowing that he probably won't do it again, but give him a break. Some of those responses were completely uncalled for.
Live = bad... yes we know that (or most of us do) but that doesn't mean an automatic crucifixion whenever a snake eats a live mouse. Every person here has seen their snake eat... thats not disgusting.
I'm sure if people saw how I killed a live mouse or rat, they would be appalled... But it would still be dead.
To the OP, If you have a problem finding frozen mice, shoot me an email. I normally have a pretty good stock. Also, Petco and Petsmart are also now stocking frozen mice too.
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
This misses the point, IMO. Snake is presumably fine, mouse is eaten, owner is proud to have snake, and - and here's the point - yet another gratuitous clip is on YouTube for all the PETA-tards to get all up in arms over the hobby.
That's the "could've" that "could've" been different. Otherwise, I have no issues; I could care less how my snake food expires, but I want to be able to keep snakes, and not have that ability usurped by morons (I actually was advised by one PETA-tard to "train my snakes to eat vegetarian") whose "informed" exposure to the hobby is YouTube.
Be proud of the animals you keep and care for. But also bear in mind that the majority of this culture has a huge irrational fear of them.
Dale
Jynx
Digger, RN
I can't think of a single time when I've ever worried about what PETA has to say. :grin01: I'm a horrible person as far as they're concerned. Anyone who can do this:
in public (anyone see the toddlers in the backgroud) is a joke to me. How these people get away with what they do is beyond me. Irrationality at its best.
I am concerned though with alot of reactions that people seem to think are ok. Dale, you are by far one of the best people to argue with. You could be saying "I hate you" and still do it in a way that doesn't make me run away crying. There are not very many people here who would do the same.
I just don't think this guy deserves the reactions he's been getting. If it were me, and I made a video, I'd probably have some kind of NIN blaring in the background. What youtube video doesn't have music associated with it?
I guess I'm just losing a bit of faith in this site... people are so quick to crucify at the smallest thing. Maybe I'm oldschool, but it would be far better to educate and suggest alternatives than to call someone a disgusting idiot for posting a video. I take pictures of my snakes eating all the time. The viewer has no idea that the mouse was alive or dead when fed, but these are ok?
And no matter what, people are always going to fear snakes. People are also always going to fear bears, lions, tigers... my point is that anyone educated in reptiles should understand, but I see more fired-up reactions coming from herp people than I do from people who are reptile-ignorant. I personally feel sorry for the people who live by you-tube, and I don't think their comments should even be considered.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
I hate uneccessary live feeding.
I hate cruelty to ANY living creature.
I hate it that some people see a rodent's suffering as insignificant, because it's "just" a rodent, when in fact they can feel pain and suffer as much as any dog or cat and at least deserve a humane death.
But, I also hate PETA, and really don't care what they have to say. They are terrorists. BUT, I wonder if they had a hand in any of the reptile bans that are enforced throughout the country. I think youtube vids are just ammo for them.
I know that in Detroit, you are not allowed ANY kind of exotic. No herps at all. And no arachnids. I tried to find out the reason for the ban in Detroit, but was unsuccessful. Does anyone know WHY exotics are banned in Detroit?
I hate cruelty to ANY living creature.
I hate it that some people see a rodent's suffering as insignificant, because it's "just" a rodent, when in fact they can feel pain and suffer as much as any dog or cat and at least deserve a humane death.
But, I also hate PETA, and really don't care what they have to say. They are terrorists. BUT, I wonder if they had a hand in any of the reptile bans that are enforced throughout the country. I think youtube vids are just ammo for them.
I know that in Detroit, you are not allowed ANY kind of exotic. No herps at all. And no arachnids. I tried to find out the reason for the ban in Detroit, but was unsuccessful. Does anyone know WHY exotics are banned in Detroit?
Jynx
Digger, RN
I'm not sure, but I know they have reptile bans in California as well (San Fransisco I think). I was watching a show about a man's house getting raided because he kept reptiles. These animals were kept in pristine conditions and were extremely well cared for, but were seized. But it is legal to keep a tiger in some places. I don't even try to understand some of those ridiculous laws...
I believe that particular protest was regarding pregnancy... But I'm with you. I'm not gonna buy for a minute that her dimples are due to veggies, soy, and hormones.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
My point is that those youtube vids show reptile keepers in a bad light. If reptile keepers have a reputation for being callously cruel to animals, it's easier to pass reptile bans.
v_various
secretly normal
It's dangerous to the snake, and a really tacky thing to video. I don't think it was THAT cruel, but it was totally unnecessary. Just another video glorifying live feeding as something "neat", some sort of fun-to-watch side show instead of the danger it really is. I've seen enough snakes scared up in rescue to know it's not something to take lightly.
Which is why we mentioned it in the first place, maybe he will next time now. Maybe he would have known if he really looked into it before doing it.
Um...I didn't because I knew before hand the damage live mice could cause. I talked to people who have fed live in the past - and decided to stop after the first fat vet bill. I think research before getting any pet is the bare minimum amount of accountability we need to take - if he knew the dangers and did it anyway, I still loose just as much respect of him.
No...but video taping and putting it up on youtube is a whole other thing.
i'm sure you'd be wrong about that. I have no problem with killing an animal for food in a safe, respectable manner. I'm sure lots of people here are the same.
It is nice of you to want to help him though. There is always mail order as well, I find the mice from serious feeder-breeders are usually better than what you'd get from a pet store freezer any day.
Jynx
Digger, RN
While I understand the caution for the reptile's sake, we're talking about a mouse. I have more rescues than actual purchased animals, and many of them have been scarred from feeding incidents as well. However, normally a mouse isn't the offender. Rats, rabbits, guinea pigs... those are more notorious for ripping a hole in a snake. At that size, that snake was in very little danger from a mouse.
"You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar"
I get that everyone that posted was trying to make this gentleman see the "error of his ways" but in an unnecessarily poignant manner. Thats really not acceptable to me. You don't call a fellow herper a disgusting childish idiot because they did something that was over the wall of "acceptable."
Congratulations to you... You are one of the few. However, that doesn't give you the right to place judgment. What you stated was an opinion... and we all know what opinions are like...
Enlighten me. Usually, recording capabilities are not up to par, and the footage is poor quality. While my camera is not the best, my pictures show immense detail of some pretty gruesome points of a feeding.
I'm sure you might want to think about that. I have a special brick for it... care to tell me how wrong I am too?
Is it so hard to make every other post like this as well?
Don't waste your time trying to "educate" me on why what he did was wrong. I am highly educated when it comes to the care of my reptiles, and don't need something like the above to "help me see the light."
I'm merely upset at the behavior on this site, and how many are beginning to deem it as acceptable. Educate, teach tolerance, but don't alienate. I'm not easily offended, and generally I don't care what people say about me. I also don't hold grudges... I'll call someone a jerk in one post, and then shake their hand in another, but I'll be surprised if this person ever comes back after the reactions he got.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
You mean like this??
But in all actuality and not to get it started as a you shouldn't feed live. We all have to feed live every once in awhile. Its not a huge deal if you know how to do it properly.
As for the Video, its in poor taste and very immature. There is never a need to show a video of your pet killing its prey. Its only for morbid curiosity that people view this. I have not viewed this video and I will not even click on the link.
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
Catherine, it's not just what PETA has to say. It's understood that they'll never be "won over". But just like in an election, it's the hearts and minds of the "swing voters" that you're trying to capture. Videos like this have a tendency to force the indifferent/apathetic to take a stance one way or the other. Too lazy to do their own research, they'll resort to emotions and "truthiness".
Thank you, and bite me. (Please. I used to pay good money for that.)
Well, the ones I watch - politics and news, old comedy bits (can you imagine the Marx Brothers with a Death Metal soundtrack?), classic television clips, all those don't have music associated with them (OK, the linked one does...). And actually, my favorites that DO have music associated with them are doing it for comedic value.
Point taken. Then you'll concur with my next point, right? Right?
(And I look at feeding stills in a much different light than I do video; additionally, I RARELY see snake feeding stills say, on Flickr, but I see WAY too many feeding videos on YouTube. What happens in Vegas should stay in Vegas.
)Check the veracity of that statement by replacing each particular species with, oh, "Catholics", "Jews", "Blacks", "Irish", etc....the fear, IMO, is based on ignorance, and the best resolution to that is education. It's up to ALL of us to provide that to those who have irrational fears.
I dare say that's because the "fired-up" reptile people are looking at the bigger picture, as it were.
And please, let's refrain from using "Reptile People". The complete nutjobs on the internet have associated that term with the shape-shifting cabal that runs the New World Order.
Dale
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Dale,And please, let's refrain from using "Reptile People". The complete nutjobs on the internet have associated that term with the shape-shifting cabal that runs the New World Order.
Dale
Reptile humanoids.. you crack me up buddy.. stop looking at fantasy. That is so yesterday.. Why not the Loveland Ohio Frog People?? or
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
v_various
secretly normal
Jynx, since your last post was a lot of smoke I'll just reply to the one comment directed at me that was flat out wrong,
I have no problem with "the brick treatment". It's instant and doesn't put your pet snake in any danger. I'm fine with hunting for meat, I'm fine with any form of killing animals for food in a respectfully way with at little suffering as possible. I'm not fine with making a fun little side show on youtube set to music. Respect other animals, respect your food and your snakes food as well.
There is probably a reason you're the only person here defending him. What he did was not what people who respect their animals and their food-animals do. It IS childish, it is a black eye on the hobby and makes us look like people who get a thrill out this kind of thing.
I have no problem with "the brick treatment". It's instant and doesn't put your pet snake in any danger. I'm fine with hunting for meat, I'm fine with any form of killing animals for food in a respectfully way with at little suffering as possible. I'm not fine with making a fun little side show on youtube set to music. Respect other animals, respect your food and your snakes food as well.
There is probably a reason you're the only person here defending him. What he did was not what people who respect their animals and their food-animals do. It IS childish, it is a black eye on the hobby and makes us look like people who get a thrill out this kind of thing.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
I would seriously like to know the reason leopard geckos are banned in Detroit.
Was it because leopard geckos are considered a danger to the public?
Or had an animal rights group won over the hearts and minds of Detroit's citizens allowing the ban to be imposed?
Like it or not, each and every single one of us is an ambassador for this hobby. How we conduct ourselves tells the uninitiated what kind of people engage in this hobby. Someone who has no exposure to our hobby, and all they know of us are from vids they've seen on youtube, well that's the image they will have of all of us. Is that what we want?
Was it because leopard geckos are considered a danger to the public?
Or had an animal rights group won over the hearts and minds of Detroit's citizens allowing the ban to be imposed?
Like it or not, each and every single one of us is an ambassador for this hobby. How we conduct ourselves tells the uninitiated what kind of people engage in this hobby. Someone who has no exposure to our hobby, and all they know of us are from vids they've seen on youtube, well that's the image they will have of all of us. Is that what we want?
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Actually here in Minnesota, Minneapolis has a ban on all Reptiles. You can not own a gecko, python, corn snake or anything. Its a growing trend.