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Queston for hunters...

I'm sorry, I can't help it!!

Hey tyflier, do you believe OBAMA walks on water?

Sorry, no more posting on this post for me!

No. As I said earlier, I'm not particularly fond of Obama, nor his choice for an administration, either. In fact, I'm not particularly fond of anyone that is so far to one side in their politics, that they fail to see any solutions that are shaded in grey.

But...since that is the nature of politics and politicians...there isn't a whole lot I can do about...

And since my choice is between two evils...I'll choose the lesser one, thanks...
 
Regarding the lead issue.... it did go sky high there for awhile but for whatever reason it is going back down. 25lb bags of lead shot peaked at about $45 retail about a year ago, now it's about $35 and dropping. It was about $20 four years ago. FWIW from someone who buys ammo and lead shot by the 100's of cases. :shrugs:
 
One more note, if you shop at Walmart, sometimes buying in large quantities works in your favor, and sometimes not. When the prices first went up Walmart beat our prices bad because they had so much ammo at the "old" prices. However, now that prices have come back down, our retail has dropped right in que while the big stores are still very pricey. I don't know if that's due to them having to still unload huge lots of expensive ammo, or if they are just trying to make killer profit now that people are "used" to paying that much.
 
Regarding the lead issue.... it did go sky high there for awhile but for whatever reason it is going back down. 25lb bags of lead shot peaked at about $45 retail about a year ago, now it's about $35 and dropping. It was about $20 four years ago. FWIW from someone who buys ammo and lead shot by the 100's of cases. :shrugs:

Lead prices were related to production costs (i.e., increases in fuel charges). Once fuel went down, metal prices (including lead) went down. When construction decreased due to the economy, then metal prices also dropped. That's all it was.
KJ
 
Well, without getting into too many of my personal beliefs here's my issue with this new legislation as it pertains to guns. Some people who probably didn't grow up hunting and shooting as most of us do where I'm from just don't get it. It's not vicious bloodsport or just going out "shooting stuff". For my family, it's tradition, a way of life. You teach your kids how to hunt, it instills traditional values and is bonding for us men. Some of my best memories growing up are of sitting at Lake Iatt or Lake Black in our blind duck hunting. All the men in the family, telling stories, my grandfather teaching me how to call in ducks, watching our dogs work. It's something of great beauty to me. My real issue comes in when the government tries to pass laws that will restrict my ability to do this with my children, or threaten the firearms I already own. A system which I've dedicated my entire adult life to now threating my way of life. I joined the Army at 17 as a private, the bottom of the barrel. I've worked my way all the way to earning a commission and becoming an officer at age 30. I've sacrificed valuable time with my family, I've lost one marriage and been taken from one of my children, and I've deployed multiple times and fought for the very freedoms that they're now infringing on. This is where I have a problem. I'm not someone who's gonna sit on the sideline and complain and have never done anything. When will the government realize that the only people gun control legislation hurts is the responsible, law abiding owners? Crime won't stop, gangbangers will still be able to illegally traffic arms, and gun violence will continue. Sad but true. I'll end my little rant cause I could go on all day..
 
"When will the government realize that the only people gun control legislation hurts is the responsible, law abiding owners?"

Does anyone see a pattern here? It is the same when infringing on the rights of keeping pets, or many other areas in which laws are passed. Of course, making things illegal doesn't solve the problem. If laws were the solution, we would have no drug problem at all in this country. Unenforceable laws just drive the problem underground.

One would think that Congress would have more pressing problems with the economy the way it is. But it doesn't seem to stop them from trying to stifle the economy further with useless legislation to gut our pet hobby / industry, or apparently, the gun / hunting industry, as well. I am sure it must also be happening in lots of other areas that I am not familiar with. It would be really nice if legislators would at least stop HINDERING the economy if they can't fix it!
 
Well, without getting into too many of my personal beliefs here's my issue with this new legislation as it pertains to guns. Some people who probably didn't grow up hunting and shooting as most of us do where I'm from just don't get it. It's not vicious bloodsport or just going out "shooting stuff". For my family, it's tradition, a way of life. You teach your kids how to hunt, it instills traditional values and is bonding for us men. Some of my best memories growing up are of sitting at Lake Iatt or Lake Black in our blind duck hunting. All the men in the family, telling stories, my grandfather teaching me how to call in ducks, watching our dogs work. It's something of great beauty to me. My real issue comes in when the government tries to pass laws that will restrict my ability to do this with my children, or threaten the firearms I already own. A system which I've dedicated my entire adult life to now threating my way of life. I joined the Army at 17 as a private, the bottom of the barrel. I've worked my way all the way to earning a commission and becoming an officer at age 30. I've sacrificed valuable time with my family, I've lost one marriage and been taken from one of my children, and I've deployed multiple times and fought for the very freedoms that they're now infringing on. This is where I have a problem. I'm not someone who's gonna sit on the sideline and complain and have never done anything. When will the government realize that the only people gun control legislation hurts is the responsible, law abiding owners? Crime won't stop, gangbangers will still be able to illegally traffic arms, and gun violence will continue. Sad but true. I'll end my little rant cause I could go on all day..
This is EXACTLY how people feel when other presidents(read: past presidents) try to tell us who we are allowed to fall in love with, or what, medically, we are legally allowed to do with our own bodies. When those "other" presidents try to force their own relifous agendas on MY child. When they try to force THEIR personal beliefs into MY life and the life of my children.

See...I respect your right to believe what you want to believe and to have your guns and shoot and develope the lifestyle that you want to lead. So do most Americans, including the current President. Unfortunately...the same cannot be said for presidents that normally fall under the republican banner.

It's classic..."You can't tell me what to do" bravado that in the same breath is followed by "You can't do what YOU want to do". It never ceases to amaze me how people feel it is their right to force their beliefs on everyone else, and I hate to say it, but...Republican Politicians are the WORST for that sort of nonsense.

Marriage rights, religious impedement, religous education in public schools, women's rights, abortion rights...these are all lifestyle choices, just like your guns and shooting. So don't expect me to get too awful teary eyed in support of your right to live the lifestyle YOU want to live when there is hardly ever any support for anyone else coming from the "Republican Camp". As far as I can tell, Republicans only believe in freedom if you believe the same things they do. If you don't beleive what they believe, you evidently aren't a free individual and you evidently aren't allowed to make your OWN choices about your OWN lifestyle...

That's where MY biggest problem lies...
 
I agree that it seems like the Republicans often seem to want to control the "private morality" side of citizens' lives through legislation, in areas such as marriage, gay rights, religion, etc.

But then it seems that Democrats want to control other aspects of citizens' lives through their view of "public morality" in matters such as the environment, or other "politically correct" areas. I don't really see a big difference. Each side wants to control everyone else. It is only the issues they choose as important that separates their ideology, in my opinion. Only the Libertarians feel that people should make their own choices. In my opinion, the "Republicrats" are just two sides of the same coin. I am not very impressed with either party. And it has been a LONG time since I actually voted FOR a candidate, instead of just voting AGAINST the worst of two choices.

I fear that the coming generations will not have any idea of the freedoms they are missing - things we took for granted when growing up. 1984 is coming - it just took longer to get here than predicted.
 
Both sides are guilty of this "only believe in freedom if you believe the same things they do. If you don't beleive what they believe, you evidently aren't a free individual and you evidently aren't allowed to make your OWN choices about your OWN lifestyle..."

Some may happen to be more in line with democrats and others may be more in line with republicans. People side with a party dependent on the issues that affect them the most. I don't think one can assert the democratic agenda is more or less righteous than the republican agenda for all involved. It is just not that black and white.
 
My brother has told me that the commonly used ammo is scarce, at least in the Wal Marts in Az. He said that the less commonly used types are still available.

We haven't shopped for any lately here in Florida, but it does have me curious. Maybe we will check next time we are out shopping.

Carol - do you have a gun shop, or sports store of some type?
 
I agree that it seems like the Republicans often seem to want to control the "private morality" side of citizens' lives through legislation, in areas such as marriage, gay rights, religion, etc.

But then it seems that Democrats want to control other aspects of citizens' lives through their view of "public morality" in matters such as the environment, or other "politically correct" areas. I don't really see a big difference. Each side wants to control everyone else. It is only the issues they choose as important that separates their ideology, in my opinion. Only the Libertarians feel that people should make their own choices. In my opinion, the "Republicrats" are just two sides of the same coin. I am not very impressed with either party. And it has been a LONG time since I actually voted FOR a candidate, instead of just voting AGAINST the worst of two choices.

I fear that the coming generations will not have any idea of the freedoms they are missing - things we took for granted when growing up. 1984 is coming - it just took longer to get here than predicted.

Both sides are guilty of this "only believe in freedom if you believe the same things they do. If you don't beleive what they believe, you evidently aren't a free individual and you evidently aren't allowed to make your OWN choices about your OWN lifestyle..."

Some may happen to be more in line with democrats and others may be more in line with republicans. People side with a party dependent on the issues that affect them the most. I don't think one can assert the democratic agenda is more or less righteous than the republican agenda for all involved. It is just not that black and white.

I absolutely agree with both of you, 100%. As I stated earlier, I don't like ANY politician that leans so far to one side, they can't see any reasonable solutions shaded in grey.

Much like Kathy, I no longer vote FOR a candidate...I vote AGAINST the other one.

And just to be clear...I am a registered democrat, but I do not hold democratic beliefs any higher, morally, than other beliefs. Everyone can be guilty of fanaticism, and believing too strongly that you are right and everyone else is wrong is simply counter-productive.

I can't wait for the day when people actually wake up and realize that if we stop arguing about the details and put a plan of action that encompasses BOTH sides of the debate...soilutions will be easier to find...

Either that, or we all end up living, as Kathy said, in "1984"...
 
What about the outrageous proposed taxes on cigars? I don't even LIKE smoking, but that high of a tax is NOT going to help children. It's like a $200 tax on each cornsnake you buy - it would prevent pet ownership instead of raising money!

I have a friend that says, "Democrats are taking us on a fast boat to socialism. Republicans are on a SLIGHTLY slower boat." Time to deport them all and elect all libertarians. Remember, the best .gov is the smallest ,gov.
 
I can't say I align myself with either political party on a regular basis. I have a system of morals and values and religious beliefs my own. Neither party will ever be totally in line with me. So I go for the lesser of two evils or I participate in the swing vote. I know that doesn't really help, but at least I exercise my right to vote. Nor do I believe forcing any of my beliefs on anyone else, or saying my way is the only way, I couldn't see how anyone would think I was trying to do that from my earlier post. What I'm trying to say is, within reason and in accordance with laws, we should have the freedom to live our lives how *WE* want as individuals. Not having someone or some group up on capitol hill deciding for me. Whether it be my guns, my snakes, or who'll teach religious values to my children, whatever. I'm saying that what burns me up is the service I've given to this country, the personal sacrifices I've made, (under both parties administrations) and how they're trying to restrict more of those freedoms I've fought for. Kind of seems like they're doing me wrong. I'm not asking for much. I just want to finish my 20 years, move back to Louisiana on my property, and be left alone to enjoy my life how I see fit. I'm not a criminal, I wouldn't be hurting anyone else.. so what's the big deal?
 
My brother has told me that the commonly used ammo is scarce, at least in the Wal Marts in Az. He said that the less commonly used types are still available.

We haven't shopped for any lately here in Florida, but it does have me curious. Maybe we will check next time we are out shopping.

Carol - do you have a gun shop, or sports store of some type?

I work at a sporting clay course and order all the ammo for the shop. All shotgun ammo, Fiocchi, Estate, and Winchester. We also carry lead shot for reloaders.
 
Cool job!

Always interesting to hear of people working at unusual jobs instead of the typical "9 - 5 grind", lol!
 
Thanks!
Between the range, the pro shop, and the gun sales vault it's definitely the not a sit down job. I think I would just die with a 9-5 desk job. Although I do get a lot of gun sales paperwork thanks to the lovely state of California. :devil01: Not only is there a 10 day waiting period with tons of paperwork for shotguns, every shipment of guns to CA has to have an approval letter from the DOJ.
 
I just want to finish my 20 years, move back to Louisiana on my property, and be left alone to enjoy my life how I see fit. I'm not a criminal, I wouldn't be hurting anyone else.. so what's the big deal?

I feel the same way, particularly about Marijuana (Although I don't like it myself). But this is a much too simplistic notion for the complexities of modern governance. There needs to be a bar, a kind of knowledge requirement before access to firearms is permitted, but there is a lot of hostility to the notion of gun licensing in the US.

Honestly, I think the Right to Bear Arms is the most ridiculous part of the American Constitution.

KJUN, out of curiosity, what's wrong with socialism?
 
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