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...sigh! Fat Boy? or Gravid Gal?

Well...Can your vet prescribe antibiotics for her? And, if she needs to be PTS, the freezer really isn't humane. Possibly your vet could do it inexpensively (they get a shot in the heart) or, I hate to say it, to do it yourself the kindest way is a crushing blow to the head. I _know_ that wouldn't be the easiest for you, but for her, it would be the fastest and most humane. But hopefully it won't come to that!
 
Something else, if she does seem like she's going to make it, with a prolapse generally food is withheld for some time and then the snake is started back feeding with very small items, because you do not want to do anything to make her prolapse again. Once you are relatively sure she is going to make it, you might discuss with your vet suturing her vent temporarily to make the prolapse stays in until it heals. Meg F. had this happen, though nothing to do with egg-laying, so you can search for her thread and read about what the treatment was.
 
Wow! So sorry you have had to deal with all of this. Glad you did get to see a herp vet, even if it ultimately didn't do much good. At least you know you did the best you could, even if it doesn't turn out as you hope.

But at least now it sounds as though you do have some hope. If it looks like she will survive, I would ask the vet for a prescription, so you can give exact amounts of whatever the vet thinks will best prevent an infection, rather than a shotgun approach, dissolved in the drinking water.

Remember, no matter what happens, you did your best. And don't let it put you off breeding in the future if you are interested (not with this snake, of course). This was very rare. Egg binding is not totally uncommon, but prolapse is rare in corns, in my experience.

Good luck!
 
Just to give you a little hope, I had some one abandon a turtle at my work who had a prolapse and the organ actually ripped off. I diidn't think she was going to make it but it has been 9 or 10 months now and she is acting and eating normally. So there is always hope she can recover.

If it comes down to putting her to sleep I personally do not really agree with putting them in the freezer. I would have your vet put her to sleep if you are able to.

I hope she makes it, best wishes.
 
Hang in there, these guys can be incredably tough sometimes. I hope she pulls though. Good Luck!
 
when was her last shed? i think its about a week after a shed. keep her hydrated. and try to count her eggs so you have a general idea how many shes got so you know she dropped them all.
 
nevermind i'm an idiot and didn't realize there was 11 pages. i'm still new to this forum stuff. i really hope all ends well for you and whytsnake.
 
Mary Ann, I am so sorry you've had to go through all of this with your baby. I have nothing of any use to give you, but you've been getting the best advice from those with the most experience, just know you are in my thoughts.
 
This has certainly been a nightmare for your family. I hope that Whytsnake recovers for you.

If you do have to make the decidision that euthanizing her is the kindest thing at some point, data suggests that being placed conscious into the freezer is NOT painless for snakes. Ice crystals form in blood and tissues while the animal is still aware, potentially causing a great deal of pain before death occurs.

A crushing blow to the head is instantaneously (and therefore painlessly) fatal, as has been said. If you don't want to use that method - which is not for the squeamish - put the snake first into the refrigerator for several hours or overnight. This causes them to lose awareness, and they can then be placed in the freezer without suffering.

You guys are still in my prayers.
 
Does CO2 not affect snakes? I have seen no mention of using a homemade CO2 chamber :( Or is the snake too big? I am still learning about how this method of euthanasia works.
 
It's my understanding that CO2 would not be humane for a snake because they can withstand very low oxygen levels. They wouldn't drop off in minutes like a rodent would. It would take a very long time instead.
 
MinLynn said:
It's my understanding that CO2 would not be humane for a snake because they can withstand very low oxygen levels. They wouldn't drop off in minutes like a rodent would. It would take a very long time instead.
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WOW I did not know that! Now I do. I will make sure I have the money for the prcedure and cremation in case anything happens on my account at my vet's. Thanks!
 
Well All.....
We lost Whytsnake this last Saturday... While I was coming back from Dental Surgery in Grass Valley. Hubby being the love he is, allowed me those couple of days with out any added grief figuring I would find out quick enough when I got home... Unfortunatly, Whytsnakes death was not the only bad news!
Thur afternoon right before I left, I was showing Mom our snakes and Wha-La~ There are three of the prettiest, most perfect looking eggs ya ever did see in "Katchy's" box! (She is our Cert. Striper) So on our way out of town we stopped to tell Sean, as he needed some good news as bad as I did!
Well................sigh! Someone in this thread made the comment that they hoped "Whtsnakes prolapse Nightmare" wouldn't turn us off of breeding, because prolapses are after all... EXTREMELY RARE!" Well Guess what? They ain't THAT rare for us! No joke....
By Fri am, Katchy had laid 7 good eggs, 1 slug, and had ONE EGG STUCK IN THE OVIDUCT hanging out her vent, just like Whytsnake did!! It was only one egg, and so when it ripped through, it left a MUCH smaller "ball of guts" behind. This is what I came home Saturday to. Sean had done all I had done with Whytsnake, you know, kept it wet and the bedding clean... She also still had at least 3 eggs WAY up high in her at that time. As of today, she has pushed the eggs down near her vent... And the "guts" are small enough, that she has a MUCH BETTER possibility, than Whyt had, of passing those last few eggs.

I have to tell ya all.... We have one more gravid female.. "lil Momma" (who just yesterday had her pre-lay shed) and we have already decided... If this same thing happens to her too... WE ARE DONE! NO MORE BREEDING FOR US! Obviously that MUST be a sign! But I do have one question... If this "Prolapse" thing IS so rare, could it be possible that SOMEHOW, our ONE male that bred with them all is the culprit? Just curious and REALLY WISHING I HAD ANSWERS!

Once again, THANK YOU ONE AND ALL FOR ALL YOU HAVE HELPED ME WITH, AND ALL THE LOVE AND SUPPORT YOU GIVE SO FREELY!!

~Mary Ann
 
I pray that the snake gods shine down and give you a giant, healthy clutch from "lil Momma" and when they hatch may there be a few hatchlings so incredible the likes no one has seen before... the "Whyte" Morph.
 
My goodness..you guys have/are going through a rough time. I hope things turn out well with these two females for you. Keeping my fingers crossed for these 2 and I am so sorry for your loss. :(

The male would have nothing to do with it. A couple factors that do guide females towards prolapse is too small/young to be bred and an out of shape females. People always say go by the rule of '3', 3 yrs old, 3 foot long and 300 grams. What tends to be left out is just because a female is 500 grams doesn't mean she's fit to breed. If they don't have good/great muscle tone, they are more prone to prolapse. This is also a big cause of egg binding. I'm sure in some cases maybe stress of cohabbing gravid females might cause prolapse and egg binding too. I'm not saying any of this is the your case, just this is the general causes of these problems.
 
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