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I know I may be leading myself into a trap but...

Kokopelli

Kokopelli

Resident Boa Fanatic
Hey all,

I know that you're all gonna jump and say YES to the dillema I am about to share but I hope to get at least some seconds of thought out consideration before hearing it :)

This year I have already bought 5 new Boas, 1.2 DH Sunglows and 1.1 het Albino, all of which are HoggXColombians with some awesome colors.

Alon pretty much kept all the DH from that litter excluding my 3 and another 2 I sold to close friends...

Now, there was another different litter which he made pretty much so that he will able to sell some lower quality animals... a not too pretty Super Salmon HoggXColombian(proved out to be) and a Normal BCI- the litter as was expected wasn't -that- good looking.

So we planned on selling them an' all... so I got to his place and took some photos.

This little female was the first we took pictures of:

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After I got back home and saw her pics I went like... damn, I did a good job... and then I saw her really odd disappearing pattern and...well, now I am considering to add her to the collection...

She won't be too expensive, but will still probably cost me around 200$ or so. Fact of the matter is she's of "inferior" stock, she can't hope to compete with the Sunfires we're working with but... she may have potential, with the pattern an' all... and her colors seem decent enough at this point.

Should I get a -sixth- boa this year or should I save up to next year?

I am already targeting a breeding that should happen... of a Tiger Dwarf mixed with Super Dwarf Retic bred to a Super Dwarf Retic....

Thoughts? :)

Oren
 
Nice boa, Oren. And great pics.
I would be the last person to be telling people not to buy snakes. :D
 
You need to learn the art of walking away....
It's too easy to add more into the mix when you have a breeding plan (one more won't hurt an all that).
I see lots of snakes I can find a reason for owning, but I have learned that you can't have them all..
I think you know deep down that passing on this snake won't be the end of the world..... LOL
Be strong my friend...
 
Nope it won't, but I may be forgetting a few details- I plan on exporting these to Europe, and basically work full time with them... so... I need a breeding stock. As she's a female and not too expensive, I thought I'd take her.
It won't be the end of the world not to take her though.
Just wanted to say that there's economical considerations to this too
 
Well, for an untrained eye she certainly is a looker. If you can work her into your breeding program and won't feel like your wasting your money on her. Then why not? You know you want her and just needed some reassuring that your doing the right thing....LOL
Good luck in whatever you decide to do with her.
 
The pattern is different and it might be interesting to see if it is heritable. You'll kick yourself if, in a few years, you see a bunch of baby boas all with that pattern selling for $2000 each...
 
well it is inheritable, 100%, it's a polygenic thing though, and I it is not extremely rare either...
It -can- add to a strong color line though, to work with such a pattern... line breeding it to produce some neat looking fellas.

Collection wise- it's another female, which you can never really have "too many" of.

On the other hand though, I already spent quite a bit on Boas as it is this year, and have plans for next year...
Like Mike said I am arguing with myself here- am I just spending money because I just "want another snake" or is it a wise investment
 
Oren, I feel your pain! I love boas myself to a great extend, but I too have had to make those kinds of decisions.

IF and only IF the investment in her can be recovered with her first litter, would I consider doing it. She a looker right now. Besides, she could offer you a "lower" end boa to sell to others who are not looking to invest in the higher end morphs. It would help keep you going in your fulltime endeavor....right?

Just my 2 cents! But I do hear what Mike is saying as well. Think of it from a financial standpoint and that just might be your answer!

Good Luck Oren!
PJ
 
PJ@PJCReptiles said:
Oren, I feel your pain! I love boas myself to a great extend, but I too have had to make those kinds of decisions.

IF and only IF the investment in her can be recovered with her first litter, would I consider doing it. She a looker right now. Besides, she could offer you a "lower" end boa to sell to others who are not looking to invest in the higher end morphs. It would help keep you going in your fulltime endeavor....right?

Just my 2 cents! But I do hear what Mike is saying as well. Think of it from a financial standpoint and that just might be your answer!

Good Luck Oren!
PJ
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Actually... babies like her go for 500$ ATM over here so... on that regard I am playing it safe.
The rates I get are extremely low as I work with the breeder on a day to day basis.
So.. no matter how I toss it, it'll be easily recovered by selling even a single Boa.

Issue is though, no one promises me they will sell... and it'll be 3 years before breeding is relevant.

The low-end boas argument is one of the "excuses" for me to consider her :)
 
Than you can add my name to the "BUY HER" list!

I know the market for boas and other snakes it hard to predict! But I have faith that it will come back around again!

PJ
 
I say go for it. you can never have to many females as you pointed out, & you have made other valued points as well. I give permission to buy her lol.
She is a beauty though to me. :) Good luck & your stronger than me for I would already have her lol.
 
Tim66/corns said:
I say go for it. you can never have to many females as you pointed out, & you have made other valued points as well. I give permission to buy her lol.
She is a beauty though to me. :) Good luck & your stronger than me for I would already have her lol.
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Don't be so sure about that, you see she's already here cause I am selling her litter-mates.... so... heehee, I am weaker than you in a way...

More opinions plz
 
DYK I decided to leave it up to the world- a two stage plan.
IF tommorow the person who is supposed to show up and buy the L.Mexicana hybrids+L.Mexicana Greeri shows up as promised

And on Friday the person who comes over to buy a Boa doesn't pick her up

I'll grab her :p
 
Oren..... You already have a plan..... Babies are too long in the project.... Buy adults ready to go..... Did I sound like a guru then..... LOL
Oren..... Adults are the way forward in any breeding plan...
Babies to grow on is something a breeder does... ;)
 
Oren are you kidding me bring her home right now you know better. She does not look inferior to me...as a matter of fact for being so tiny and young I'd say theres a ton of potential there. Shes a female, the price is right, and she's so tiny and cute:)
 
danielle said:
Oren are you kidding me bring her home right now you know better. She does not look inferior to me...as a matter of fact for being so tiny and young I'd say theres a ton of potential there. Shes a female, the price is right, and she's so tiny and cute:)
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And sentiment doesn't come into a program.... LOL
 
Ok, first off I would say she is stunning and I can easily see how it would be an impulse buy I would make. If you feel you can use her in the future and she fits what you want, pick her up. HOWEVER do know that growing a female boa from a hatchling to a breeder is going to take time, on the safe side 4-5 years. These are not corns that you have the potential to breed in 18 months(potential, not condoning it one way or another), these females need to be slow grown to produce nice clutches healthy. Also know the boa market is dare I say worthless right now, its hard to really give animals away. Is it going to bounce back? Ehhh hard to say, locality animals will hold their value, but morphs its a gamble. Boas ran their course 10 years ago, now it seems they are holding on by the skin of their teeth, the market is unbelievably saturated and I dont see that changing. Just some things to consider, but if you look at that picture and think "Man I just gotta have her", take some pictures when she is chillin at your house for all of us to enjoy.
 
........... So... if you don't get her, I can expect the package as a belated birthday present when? She's absolutely beautiful! It would be very hard for me to pass up. BUT... you already have a very well established breeding group you're working with. I'd say save up and go for the retics.
 
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