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Please help my Dekays.

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I know she created another account last night just because she wanted to keep reading and possibly post again.
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I'm not sure she's quite grasped the concept of suspension...
 
Right. I appreciate all of the helpful information you guys have given me, it means a lot. As it said in my initial post, I've asked a lot of people for advice. I did not wait 3 days to decide to help him. I joined this forum after three days, but I have been everywhere else asking for help, so please don't make that assumption. Also noted in my original post, I specifically said I do not drive - thus, I do not have access to a veterinary clinic or rehabilitation clinic for this reptile as the closest 'exotic' animal hospital in Richmond to me is down town. This is about a 45 minute drive from me. Everywhere I go, I walk due to my disability. If this was not the case, he'd be in a veterinary clinic as we speak, but he's not and I can't get him there. I don't have any other options. I saw a creature in the road that needed help. I stopped to pick it up, I found out 24 hours later that it wasn't just a coincidence - he's injured. I did what I thought was right in coming here to ask for help, opinions and possibly find out some information that might help me to be able to heal him and send him on his way. If this makes me a bad person or inappropriate, then so be it. I, too have worked at a veterinarian clinic. I'm educated, but not educated enough on reptiles. I was also hoping for this to be somewhat of a learning experience. So be it. You've expressed your opinions. I appreciate the help from those who have tried.

Additionally, I don't care whether Roy was a moderator or not. Opinions are opinions, but intentionally flaming on people with rude, offensive and downright cold-hearted actions is an abuse of power. I've also been a moderator on several forums as well as the store manager of various stores and know that people that behave in this manner, moderator or not, should know better. The simple rule is, if you wouldn't talk that way to your mother, why talk to anyone else that way?

With all of this being said, I'll state that the snake is still alive and doing relatively well. I'm not ready to give up on him and I know that if I release him into the wild, he will die. I'm not willing to take that chance without a genuine effort. If I take the necessary actions to prevent him from dying, then I wont need to take him to a veterinarian - hence my efforts on some random reptile forum.

Again, thanks to all of those who helped me. If you wish to contact me by some other means, you may find me on my aim name, which is EliteApathy. I'll see you there.
 
Can't someone you know drive you? Taxi? Bus? 45 minutes is not that long for an exotic vet... I've read posts on here about people who have to drive 2 hours for a good vet. Besides that... The fact remains that a wild creature, as sad as it is to see in the road looking needy, is wild and wants to remain that way. The best thing you could've done, sad as it is, is return him somewhere more natural and hope for the best. I'm not saying what you did was stupid, just that sometimes you can't let your emotions rule you; even sympathy.
 
Margulis said:
Additionally, I don't care whether Roy was a moderator or not. Opinions are opinions, but intentionally flaming on people with rude, offensive and downright cold-hearted actions is an abuse of power. I've also been a moderator on several forums as well as the store manager of various stores and know that people that behave in this manner, moderator or not, should know better. The simple rule is, if you wouldn't talk that way to your mother, why talk to anyone else that way?
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Whut? I didn't abuse any power. You need to re-read Susan's post. It wouldn't hurt for you to review the site rules while you're at it. I gave you the best advice I could offer for the welfare of the snake. I had no concern for anything else. Now YOU'VE decided to attack me as a mod instead of attacking me as a member. Persisting in the former will bring consequences.
 
just my opinion:
i agree with everyone saying the thing about wild animals are best left in the wild, but everyhuman knows the wild doesn't do magic, so if it was injured with an injury like that no wild and tree would cure him, he would just die like the hundreds of animals that die every day in the wild since they dont have vets to treat them, thats nature, 1dies, 10 born.

so yes, if you don't want that snake to die, you're only hope is to take him to a vet unles you have expirience curing the sort of thing which you state you dont. so you have 2 options , put him loose in the wild, let him die in peace or take him to vet to have a chance at a treatment. 1 Thing i dont recommend tough is try to pusshing back the tissue yourself since as many said if its infected you'll kill the snake. but if anything else fails and you still want to risk him get healed have a shot at putting it back yourself. maybe it lives and you've saved him , maybe he dies.
i would have done the same as you , i would prefer to try and cure him with any means possibly and by asking for help other then let him loose and die in the wild by infections. tough if you do cure him, when he's well at health release him.
again just my opinion on this intresting treath , in no way im a snake/reptile expert. just using my common sense.
 
I was never the aggressor in any of this. I've been on the defensive end the entire time. But I do find myself quite confused with how this turned into my trying to help the snake to defending myself. I needed advice and I got it.
 
I can't belive how one comment has sparked all this uproar.
To the OP: Its very easy to avoid people on an internet forum. If Roy's comments offend you, dont respond to his posts. Ignore them if they upset you that badly. Its not your place to tell him how to be a mod, even if you have an opinion on that subject. I'm glad the snake is doing well inspite of all thats gone on. good luck in the future...i hope everyone(OP included) just walks away from this argument from here on out...really anything further is continuing the bickering. the origional issues have been answered in a few different ways by many people who know their stuff, and the thread seems to have degraded to judging Roy Munson as a mod...which i believe is inappropriate.
At best, this whole thing could be described as a misunderstanding combined with a massive overreaction.
 
Pepper said:
Can't someone you know drive you? Taxi? Bus? 45 minutes is not that long for an exotic vet... I've read posts on here about people who have to drive 2 hours for a good vet.
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Agreed. In your post about how you found it, you said "we" multiple times. Doesn't anyone in this "we" drive? You have absolutely no friends or neighbors you could ask? Have you tried calling the vet to find a wildlife rehab that will pick it up? I'm in a little hick town and can find 2 local wildlife rehabs that will pick up and one that is 2 hours away.
 
Margulis said:
I was never the aggressor in any of this. I've been on the defensive end the entire time. But I do find myself quite confused with how this turned into my trying to help the snake to defending myself. I needed advice and I got it.
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I dunno. If I see someone referring to someone else on a public forum as rude, offensive, cold-hearted, power-abusing, etc., I usually detect at least an iota of aggression. (?) I'm sorry if I mistook your gentle kindness for something else... :grin01:
 
Margulis said:
With all of this being said, I'll state that the snake is still alive and doing relatively well. I'm not ready to give up on him and I know that if I release him into the wild, he will die. I'm not willing to take that chance without a genuine effort. If I take the necessary actions to prevent him from dying, then I wont need to take him to a veterinarian - hence my efforts on some random reptile forum.
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So assuming that you manage to heal what seems to be a fairly significant injury, and the snake gets back to health and is doing well......

Umm... what were you planning on feeding it????

There is a reason why Dekay's Brown Snakes are not typically seen at reptile shows, and it's not because they look like poo.
 
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So assuming that you manage to heal what seems to be a fairly significant injury, and the snake gets back to health and is doing well......

Umm... what were you planning on feeding it????

There is a reason why Dekay's Brown Snakes are not typically seen at reptile shows, and it's not because they look like poo.
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Not even partially?
 
They really are cute little buggers. I hope he makes it.

If he doesn't, you won't get a "told you so" from me. You tried. They don't all make it. None of us does... indefinitely...
 
salvadorian said:
Wow. Just wow. Do you really have nothing better to do than be cruel to people? That's incredibly uncalled for.

Anyways, the prolapse looks pretty bad, and the wound is starting to look rather dark (not good). I wouldn't soak anymore because of the violent reaction and obvious pain. Also, soaking any more could cause more swelling. I'd let him dry for about a half an hour, then spritz the snake and wound with warm, distilled water, and do what others have said. Your resources are limited, so have someone restrain the snake very gently and attempt to slowly press the prolapse in to the snake. I don't know how much luck you'll have, but the only other choice is to allow the snake to die.
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I don't care what you do with this snake, because frankly a prolapse like this usually won't heal on it's own, and would require some sort of surgery.

But I had to address this...NEVER spray distilled water on an exposed internal organ or violent injury. Never give a reptile distilled water to drink. Distilled water WILL kill the snake...

As for the other things going on...I've used tepid asugar water successfully to treat minor prolapses in snakes and lizards. Works great if there is minimal swelling, and the animal isn't seriously injured or stress. My guess is the water was warmer than you think it was, which caused the reaction. Sugar isn't going to cause pain like salt would...
 
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We did not capture this wild creature and steal him away from his natural habitat. He was curled up, drenched and scared to death in the middle of a busy church parking lot. This night had very bad weather, as we were caught in smaller storms from the recent hurricane. In the time that we tried to capture him, two separate people walked by, commenting that it should be killed. If you think my taking him home was wrong, I have no idea what to say to you. And just to give you a little more information, on getting him home we researched what sort of habitat he should have in his terrarium, gave him what was suggested and went to sleep, as it was late. We woke up six hours later to see the injury. To assume we caused this is just downright silly.

It would be more logical to think he got flooded out of his home and some jerk intentionally, or accidentally harmed him, as he was in a high traffic area. It wouldn't be too unlikely that it took a little while for the injury to be visibly noticeable. Unless, of course, you think he injured himself due to our misconduct in a plastic terrarium, on some wet paper towels.

But it's okay, I forgive you because you weren't really here to see it anyway. :)
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No vacant lots or natural habitat nearby? And did the snake happen to mention why he was "scared to death"? There MUST be good habitat somewhere nearby, otherwise he wouldn't have been there.

Anthropomorphising the snake's reaction to inclement weather doesn't excuse removing it from the wild. And for the record, a church parking lot is just as much "the wild" as the woods by the creek are, to the snake...

What you SHOULD have done, since you obviously are not experienced enough to deal with and heal an injured snake, is move it off the blacktop and out of the way of foot traffic to either heal or die as nature would have it.

One last thing...absolutely the stress of captivity, handling, and eyes staring at him through a piece of plastic from whence he cannot escape is capable of causing him to injur himself. Stress can be an incredibly tortorous ordeal for a little snake like that, and it can absolutely lead to injury...
 
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No vacant lots or natural habitat nearby? And did the snake happen to mention why he was "scared to death"? There MUST be good habitat somewhere nearby, otherwise he wouldn't have been there.

Anthropomorphising the snake's reaction to inclement weather doesn't excuse removing it from the wild. And for the record, a church parking lot is just as much "the wild" as the woods by the creek are, to the snake...

What you SHOULD have done, since you obviously are not experienced enough to deal with and heal an injured snake, is move it off the blacktop and out of the way of foot traffic to either heal or die as nature would have it.

One last thing...absolutely the stress of captivity, handling, and eyes staring at him through a piece of plastic from whence he cannot escape is capable of causing him to injur himself. Stress can be an incredibly tortorous ordeal for a little snake like that, and it can absolutely lead to injury...
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really? my uncle had one of the small snakes that live in malta, my sister's boyfriend caught it and gave it to me like 4years ago, since i couldnt get him any food and the petshop said those will not it mice i gave it to my uncle. he did eat mice and lizards and lived for 1-2years without a heathmath (bad tempreture control) without hibernating and in captivity. then it did , and thats probably for doing 1-2winters without a heathmat (bad temp).

so snakes aint that fragile as we make them, or well, maltese snakes arent at least. he wasn't stressed by being captive even tough it was a wild one and settled in hes new home without probs.
 
1 year, spent 1 winter and then died. as i said probably from not having a heather.tough somehow it still ate without regurging and never gave any shedding or other problems never showed to be stressed itt was always calm and relax. my cornsnake regurged his mouse whole when winter came and ididnt buy the heather.. so maybe its the snake that was strong who knows..

but my point is : snakes won't really be that stressed to die from being captive. at least not the 2snakes that i got from the wild.
 
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really? my uncle had one of the small snakes that live in malta, my sister's boyfriend caught it and gave it to me like 4years ago, since i couldnt get him any food and the petshop said those will not it mice i gave it to my uncle. he did eat mice and lizards and lived for 1-2years without a heathmath (bad tempreture control) without hibernating and in captivity. then it did , and thats probably for doing 1-2winters without a heathmat (bad temp).

so snakes aint that fragile as we make them, or well, maltese snakes arent at least. he wasn't stressed by being captive even tough it was a wild one and settled in hes new home without probs.
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Uhh...the snake died. That seems to be a problem, in my opinion. Settled in real well, that one did...after 1-2 years in captivity the snake died because of bad care. How long do you think said snake would have lived had you left it alone? So...how does that justify anything?

The reality is...I have several wild caught snakes of my own. I have wild garters, wild rosy and rubber boas, a wild longnose, a wild groundsnake, a wild Cali king, and have passed along numerous wild gophersnakes. The difference is...I have the knowledge and experience to be able to properly care for these animals, as witnessed by the fact that they are ALL still alive, thriving, and several have gone on to reproduce. And...if one shows signs of stress, illness, or failure to adapt to captivity...I let it go.

I don't have a problem with people legally catching and keeping wild snakes. I have no problem with that whatsoever. What I DO have a problem with is people taking snakes from the wild without knowing what they are or how to care for them, and without paying the snake it's due consideration when it doesn't adapt to captivity. I have a problem with people justifying bad choices with anthropomorphism. I have a problem with people allowing wild snakes to die in captivity because they are too stubborn to let the thing go and live it's life after they fail to adapt.

Just because YOUR wild caught snake died from horrible care instead of stress-induced injury, does NOT change the validity of my earlier statements. In fact...if anything it reinforces my statement.
 
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1 year, spent 1 winter and then died. as i said probably from not having a heather.tough somehow it still ate without regurging and never gave any shedding or other problems never showed to be stressed itt was always calm and relax. my cornsnake regurged his mouse whole when winter came and ididnt buy the heather.. so maybe its the snake that was strong who knows..

but my point is : snakes won't really be that stressed to die from being captive. at least not the 2snakes that i got from the wild.
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It's nice to know that your vast experience with 2 wild snakes outweighs the community experience with hundreds of thousands of them....

A snake dying after 1 year in captivity is NOT something you should be bragging about. ESPECIALLY when it is entirely your fault that the snake suffered needlessly for a year and than died a miserable death. Proud of yourself??
 
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