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Speckled King X Corn

I agree with that, except, in nature, is a cornsnake more or less likely to breed with another cornsnake?

Corns and kings are 2 different species. Humans and chimps are 2 different species. Breeding corns and kings is like breeding humans and chimps in my opinion. (Chimps have what..something like 99% of our DNA)

True but there is a big ethics issue there like its hard to explain how I feel about that. I bet it is possible and I think I'd be interesting to see if it is, but at the same time I wouldn't really want it to happen at all. I think its just the human x animal ethic issue. I know what your getting at but that is a hard question to answer.
 
But it is the same thing! Humans are only animals after all, right?

We probably will have to agree to disagree here.

You look at a hybrid and see a beautiful interesting animal.
I see freezer fodder.
I don't think that will change....
 
Dang it Beth! You're taking the fun out of arguing! :twohammer::nyah:

Well, we could close our eyes, plug our ears..and you could say "beautiful hybrid" over and over while I say "freezer fodder" and we could do it til one of us passes out. :)
 
I, personally, love hybrids. As anyone who knows me will tell you. Hybrids just look cool, and if they're properly marked, I think there's absolutely no problem with them.
 
Pa-tooey!!!!!!

:grin01: I'm pretty wishy-washy on the subject, but you have to admit that those are some beautiful animals, Beth! I think this pic came from Mesozoic too. I don't care what side of the subject you're on, that's one crazy-cool snake!
 

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Double Pa-tooey!!!
I speet on your cool snake!

(although that color might go nice in the parlor.....)
 
Double Pa-tooey!!!
I speet on your cool snake!

(although that color might go nice in the parlor.....)

:D That one's not a hybrid. It's a Trinidadian Rat Snake. Its coloration evolved to enable it to blend perfectly with the fruit salads from which it ambushes its prey.
 
Wow, there is a lot of passion on the hybrid subject. I admit some of them are really interesting looking. My concern is accidentally mixing hybrids with "pure" corns or kings or whatever. I want my corn snakes to be corn snakes. Not hybrids. I wouldn't consider a hybrid freezer bait, but I want them to be clearly labelled, and I worry about ignorant or unscrupulous folks mixing creamsicles etc in snakes that I then end up with unknowingly.

That said, mesozoicreptiles.com has some really striking snakes, and I don't see how anyone could accidentally breed them back to cornsnakes & then sell the results as cornsnakes. So I think, as a noobie, it's fine to have them as long as they are PROPERLY LABELLED so those who want pure cornsnakes or pure kingsnakes or whatever can avoid accidentally adding those hybrid genes to their projects.

The other issue is that I think the whole speciation thing may be a little bit off, if intergrades & hybrids occur in the wild. That would indicate these snakes are not very far separated genetically, if they can & will mate successfully in their natural environment (as opposed to be manipulated into doing it in a vivarium). That's a whole 'nother subject, but an interesting one.
 
:D That one's not a hybrid. It's a Trinidadian Rat Snake. Its coloration evolved to enable it to blend perfectly with the fruit salads from which it ambushes its prey.

LOL! :roflmao: Actually I believe that was the result from Pastel Theryi/Cali King X same...
 
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