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[Outcast]

So, one cannot equate the hunters of old with the hunters of today. They are two very different animals.

Unfortunately, some people do not think this way. They blame all hunters for current problems. Its the same thing as blaming the snakes in the everglades on snake owners.

 

[Tara80]

Easy now... I didn't say anything bad about people who hunt out of necessity. I was speaking out against those who do it for an ego rush or for pleasure or who just decided they want deer meat instead of buying beef.

Well, I must be a GREAT BIG MEANIE HEAD then because I prefer my freezer to be stacked with venison over beef. It's leaner, healthier and (to me) it tastes better. I hunt whenever I get the chance (Montana specifically).
Also, in my opinion, your view is skewed - I would rather support clean hunting any day (especially for over populated game), where the animals are able to live in the environment they prefer to be in prior to death, as opposed to beef living in overcrowded paddocks, knee high in cow crap, eating processed food followed by being slaughtered (with lots of mistreatment in between).
To each his own, and everyone is entitled to opinions just don't 'call names' because people don't agree with you and *PLEASE* do some research before throwing opinions out there just based on 'how you feel'.

 

[Outcast]

I feel I must say this. I hunt for pleasure, and because I enjoy the taste of venison. I enjoy sitting out in a deer stand early in the morning waiting to see if a deer will come around for me to add to the freezer, I wish I could go out more. To me, it is the same thing as eggs. I would rather eat free range eggs than store bought.
Call me what you want, but last time I checked, I am still a red blooded American, and it is my right to hunt during seasons with the correct tags. There is a reason they have seasons and do not allow people to hunt year round, that would be a problem.

 

[Em Wright]

Well, I must be a GREAT BIG MEANIE HEAD then because I prefer my freezer to be stacked with venison over beef. It's leaner, healthier and (to me) it tastes better. I hunt whenever I get the chance (Montana specifically).
Also, in my opinion, your view is skewed - I would rather support clean hunting any day (especially for over populated game), where the animals are able to live in the environment they prefer to be in prior to death, as opposed to beef living in overcrowded paddocks, knee high in cow crap, eating processed food followed by being slaughtered (with lots of mistreatment in between).
To each his own, and everyone is entitled to opinions just don't 'call names' because people don't agree with you and *PLEASE* do some research before throwing opinions out there just based on 'how you feel'.

Congrats, you have an opinion. Do I agree with it? Not in the least. Just like you don't agree with mine. I do, however, respect your opinion and your right to voice it no matter what it's based on; feelings or facts.

Oh and I believe I said, "big mean, meanie head". If you're going to quote me, *PLEASE* do so properly. While you're at it, why don't you take a light-hearted comment and turn it into something sinister. I did not mean to call anyone names, I was trying to keep people from taking my post too seriously.

Lighten up, please. It was an opinion. The view of one person in the world. You can have your opinions and I can have mine. We all know everyone has opinions and they all stink, so why get our panties in a bunch over it?

 

[TandJ]

Funny thing is that the last picture of the old fellow and his grabbers has been circulating around the internet for years and that guy and snake have been each others adversaries all over North America.. *lol*

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[Outcast]

Congrats, you have an opinion. Do I agree with it? Not in the least. Just like you don't agree with mine. I do, however, respect your opinion and your right to voice it no matter what it's based on; feelings or facts.

Oh and I believe I said, "big mean, meanie head". If you're going to quote me, *PLEASE* do so properly. While you're at it, why don't you take a light-hearted comment and turn it into something sinister. I did not mean to call anyone names, I was trying to keep people from taking my post too seriously.

Lighten up, please. It was an opinion. The view of one person in the world. You can have your opinions and I can have mine. We all know everyone has opinions and they all stink, so why get our panties in a bunch over it?

Before you attack a certain group of people because you do not agree with what they do remember that you are part of a group of people that is under just as much scrutiny, because you love reptiles. Also, remember that there are people from every walk of life on here, and calling names is going to get someone angry. I don't call you names because you don't like hunters, I expect the same amount of respect from you.

I seem to remember Kathy Love stating that the hunting community and reptile community should try and band together, or something along those lines.

 

[Em Wright]

I wasn't calling anyone names... I didn't say, "Aaron you're a big mean, meanie head because you kill Bambi." If you took my comment to be vicious or ill-meant then I am sorry, that was not my intent. If I'd wanted to call someone a name I would have come up with something that didn't sound so childish.

I also think it's kind of funny... that remark was three pages back and because one person made a comment about it now everyone has to harp on it. Before Tara's post nobody seemed offended or upset about it, now it's the end of the world. This is why I said to lighten up - I was not attacking anyone.

However, since it seems to be a big deal, I will clarify. When I said, I view hunters as big mean, meanie heads it was directed at stereotypical hunters. Or, as someone mentioned, the hunters of old. Ignorant, cruel, irresponsible. Hunting for trophies, taking only certain parts and leaving the rest behind to rot, killing more than you need to survive. Not properly tending fires, using harsh methods to track/kill your prey. Killing out of season, killing protected or endangered animals. The ones who give hunters a bad name. Kind of like reptile owners who give us a bad name.

I have the right to not like hunting. Just like others have the right to dislike reptiles. I also have the right to think anti-reptile people are ignorant and if they'd give reptiles half a chance they might find how great they are. And I'm sure those of you who have clearly expressed pleasure in hunting feel that way about me. I am ignorant to hunting and thank you, I'm gonna stay that way. Just like I won't give up my reptiles. And I don't expect any of you to give up hunting or feel bad about it.

For Tara:

I did some research for you. Taken from Dictionary.com:

O·pin·ion
[uh-pin-yuhn]

–noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Since you don't seem to understand exactly what "opinion" means. My opinion in this matter is my personal view, my belief that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty (so not stating facts here) that I dislike hunting, especially trophy hunting.

 

[Tara80]

LOL obviously you didn't read my entire post. I was pretty clear about opinion on there.

And I wasn't angry at all. Trust me. I actually found it humorous.

 

[Em Wright]

I just wanted to be clear. I intended to state how I feel, it had nothing to do with facts. :shrugs:

 

[MysticExotics]

I know many people who hunt, both family & friends. I intend to go hunting with my dad & brother someday.
The people I know who hunt do so primarily for food. My dad also uses the hides, to have them made into gloves, to use for work. He's a farrier (shoes horses, for those who don't know).
I would much prefer to put food on my table from hunting, than from the grocery store. The way many animals are treated prior to being butchered is unacceptable & IMO, is a much bigger issue than people who hunt to put food on their table.
On top of that, there's the chemicals, salt water, etc used in meats to make it heavier to charge more per pound, or to get the animal to grow faster.
Hunting is not only used to feed families, it also is used to thin excessive population, diseased population, & problem animals.

I see no problem with hunting, as long as it is done legally, responsibly.

 

[tyflier]

So people are hunting to fix the mistakes they made by hunting? Wouldn't it be a better idea to reintroduce predators to the areas they are missing? Just saying.

Really? You want to re-iontroduce all of the large mammals back to their habitat in order to balance and maintain a healthy ecosystem without hunting? So...gangs of bears, cougars, wolves, coyotes, and other apex predators walking around in every suburban neighborhood throughout US seems like a good idea to you?

I won't argue that mankind has messed up the ecosystem on more than one occasion, but frankly, unless humans are allowed to become a link in the food chain where they belong as both predator AND prey, there's no turning back. You can't do away with thousands of years of civilization encroaching on habitat just to outlaw hunting. That's just not feasible.

Responsible hunting is a vital component of conservation. Contrary to what many "conservationists" would have you believe, there is a big difference between "conserving" resources and "preserving" resources. Without hunting, populations of grazing prey animals explode, threaten agriculture, and become rife with disease because of drains on the resources available to them.

 

[mike17l]

Ignorant, cruel, irresponsible. Hunting for trophies, taking only certain parts and leaving the rest behind to rot, killing more than you need to survive. Not properly tending fires, using harsh methods to track/kill your prey. Killing out of season, killing protected or endangered animals. The ones who give hunters a bad name. Kind of like reptile owners who give us a bad name.

Bambi/Disney is probably not the best resource to learn about much of anything, much less, hunters.

 

[Fatman608]

... However, since it seems to be a big deal, I will clarify. When I said, I view hunters as big mean, meanie heads it was directed at stereotypical hunters. ... My opinion in this matter is my personal view, my belief that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty (so not stating facts here) that I dislike hunting, especially trophy hunting.

First, I am a stereotypical hunter because what ever I kill, deer, duck, dove, rabbit, squirrel, quail goes in the freezer or a friends freezer.

Second, Since I live in Texas were trophy hunting is a big business and that I have a cousin that runs a trophy hunting deer ranch. The deer that are harvested that the shooter does not want the meat from goes to charities that feed the homeless and the poor and all the trophy hunting ranches do that.

I am not trying to change your opinion just wanted to give you some facts and my daughter would agree with you that I am a big mean, meanie head. She dislikes me hunting deer however she does like the buck sticks that come from the deer meat.

Love the Fatman

 

[VickyChaiTea]

Really? You want to re-iontroduce all of the large mammals back to their habitat in order to balance and maintain a healthy ecosystem without hunting? So...gangs of bears, cougars, wolves, coyotes, and other apex predators walking around in every suburban neighborhood throughout US seems like a good idea to you?

I won't argue that mankind has messed up the ecosystem on more than one occasion, but frankly, unless humans are allowed to become a link in the food chain where they belong as both predator AND prey, there's no turning back. You can't do away with thousands of years of civilization encroaching on habitat just to outlaw hunting. That's just not feasible.

Responsible hunting is a vital component of conservation. Contrary to what many "conservationists" would have you believe, there is a big difference between "conserving" resources and "preserving" resources. Without hunting, populations of grazing prey animals explode, threaten agriculture, and become rife with disease because of drains on the resources available to them.

I'm sorry I didn't specify, I thought it kind of went without saying that I don't want predators released into populated areas. Obviously, it would have to be done carefully and with common sense.

I'm not against hunting. I am all for the responsible hunting of animals. Meaning it is ok to hunt animals who are not endangered or threatened. It is vital that the number you can kill is regulated, and apex predators should be hunted WAY less often than prey animals.

 

[Em Wright]

Bambi/Disney is probably not the best resource to learn about much of anything, much less, hunters.

Way to take my words out of context... I didn't say ALL hunters were like that. But come on, you know there are irresponsible jerks out there who do that crap. Just like there are irresponsible jerks who get tired of their snakes and release them into the wild.

Bambi/Disney has nothing to do with it. :bird:

 

[wstphal]

Actually, it's illegal in most states to hunt strictly for trophy and waste the animal. If you shoot it, you are expected to track it, kill it(if necessary), dress it, butcher it, and use it, either for yourself or give it away. It is also almost universal state law, to kill as quickly and humanely as possible, and to avoid allowing an animal to suffer.

But to kill, only to remove the trophy and waste the meat, is illegal in most states. Getting "caught" typically results in a HUGE fine, and at least a temporary loss of hunting priveleges within the state.

I'm not a hunter, but I firmly support responsible hunting and responsible hunters. I am a fly fisherman, and the only reason I don't hunt is because it's usually cold and I'm usually tired.

Thanks for the info, I did not know that, and the forum is saying I can't rep you!

 

[wstphal]

And I've honesty never met anyone so hard up they couldn't afford to buy groceries... besides, how much money does your family spend on bullets? Last I heard bullets were expensive, too. :shrugs:

I have met families where this was true. They couldn't afford groceries and pay the bills unless they went on welfare & food stamps and they did not want to do that. $1 or less, properly applied by a highly motivated person with very low income & good shooting skills, can provide high quality low fat meat for weeks. And people who hunt to eat so they can avoid applying for food stamps and still pay the electric bill are highly motivated shooters.

 

[Tara80]

Thanks for the info, I did not know that, and the forum is saying I can't rep you!

Don't worry, I repped him for you Betsy. :cheers:

 

[tyflier]

I'm sorry I didn't specify, I thought it kind of went without saying that I don't want predators released into populated areas. Obviously, it would have to be done carefully and with common sense.

Common sense says it cannot be done. Not enough to control the continental populations of grazing prey animals. It's a silly idea that has not taken any factual data into consideration. Predators HAVE been reintroduced into many, many national parks and refuges in the continental US. Your idea simply cannot work to the extent you envision.

I'm not against hunting. I am all for the responsible hunting of animals. Meaning it is ok to hunt animals who are not endangered or threatened. It is vital that the number you can kill is regulated, and apex predators should be hunted WAY less often than prey animals.

These regulations are already in place and have been for a long time...

Em Wright said--

I just wanted to be clear. I intended to state how I feel, it had nothing to do with facts.

This is self evident.

How is it OK to come into a forum and insult an entire group of people based purely and entirely on stuff you have made up in your own mind? Somehow that makes sense to you? Saying you don't mean to be insulting doesn't change the fact that your words are based on ignorance and they are insulting.

Admitting that your opinion is based entirely on fallacy is a step in the right direction. Now you need to take it a step further, and educate yourself to change your opinion. It can't be fun knowing you are completely out of touch with reality...

This is the same way that groups like PETA operate. They don't particularly care if they are right, as long as a lot of people believe them.:nope:

 

[Outcast]

well tyflier, I can't rep you right now, I must spread some rep around...