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Am I Right

rolandslf

rolandslf

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I strongly suspect that this Corn which I was given is a Creamsicle. It is a male. Can anyone confirm it to be a Creamsicle or are there other viewpoints to be considered on what he is. Also, and I know this is difficult, because the feeding regime is unknown to me, I think him to be about two years old. What do you all think?

A pic or three.

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Lastly, I know that a Corn x Black rat produces Beast Corns. If he is indeed a Creamsicle, what would a cross between him and a Black rat be called?
 
There's just no way of knowing if it's a cream or not. It looks like countless other amel corns, so unless you picked it up as a cream, you only have your suspicions. JMHO it looks like a pretty amel corn :)

Cream X Black rat doesn't have a name I've ever heard, so...how 'bout...Fudgescicles ;)
 
Yeah, no way to know unless you know the parents. Looks like any other amel cornsnake to me.
 
Thank You for the answers so far. I only suspect it to be a Cream, I own more than a few Amels, and this one just has so much orange that I am loathe to call it a pure Corn. For now I will label it as a Cream.
 
Define "too much orange"? Have you seen sunglows? Normally when people start thinking creamsicle, it's when faced with a very yellow/*pale* orange snake. That snake reminds me of Dier, my almost-sunglow.
 
I would say normal amel cornsnake if we are going by the coloring. I have two amels and one has more red and the other is more florecent orange like yours. But still if sold as a hybrid and not sure it is a good idea to keep at least that info available with this snake.
 
I'd like to see what your amels look like, then. The snake in question looks absolutely typical in terms of coloration. A very attractive amel color scheme.
 
I will take some pics of my Amels. I am not saying that you all are wrong in calling it an Amel, heck, you are most probably right. I have just never owned a Corn so brightly orange before. I am just scared of breeding it and it is not a pure Corn, I would not want to purposely sell offspring as pure if they are not. To be honest, I also thought along the lines of Sunglow, but, having never owned one, I asked for opinions, and voiced mine, that it could be possibly a Cream. I at the end of this saga will make a call on whether to call it an Amel or a Cream. I consider the opinions of the people on this Forum very valuable and greater than my own, hence the question "Am I Right". Lastly, I am not by any means saying that anyone's opinion is necessarily right or wrong, but I am using the Forum to make a more educated guess on what I possibly have.
 
Look how red and orange Azaria is. She's quite definitely not a creamsicle. My other amel, Adlai, is similar.
 

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Roland, big kudo's for actually giving a hoot to consider the fact that you just don't know and it is a concern to you :cheers:
 
WOW Nanci, Now that could never be mistaken for a Cream as far as I am concerned.

Chris , Thanks for that. I actually am one of the people who support Hybrids, that does not however mean that I can just fob Hybrids off as Pure Corns because they look Pure. This is the reason for my concern with this one.

My idea is that, say I get 20 opinions and 17 say Amel and 3 say Cream, I will then accept that what I have is an Amel. Should however 10 say Amel and 10say Cream, I will then label the snake as a Cream.
 
I often get rescued or unwanted snakes from people. If your not sure, Then thats how I label them. If I go to sell them, the buyers are told that he was a rescue or surrendered to me and that his background is unknown. To me thats the only way to be safe. If I breed them, all babies that are sold are also given that disclaimer. If your working on a hybrid project, I would consider it a corn. This is my reasoning. You know for a fact it has corn blood in it, Crossing it and then labeling it, creme x blk rat, and not being 100% sure thats its a creme, could come back to bite you. Just my two cents worth.

As far as age, I think you said it best when you mentioned the feeding schedule. But looking at the pics and comparing the thickness of the snake to your thumb, I would say your about right on the age, my guess 2-4 years.
 
It looks like a VERY typical normal variation of a genuine amel cornsnake. HOWEVER that doesn't mean at all that it cannot have some sort of DISTANT emoryi geneflow in it's lineage. This goes for many other countless THOUSANDS out there. There are more so-called cornsnakes out there with emoryi and gray rat floating around than you could possibly shake a stick at in 10 lifetimes to be quite honest...LOL!

Looking at the parents only wouldn't tell you anything about what "distant" genetics is actually going on either.

The bottom line is really how far down do you want to "slit the hair"?. And even so it is impossible for you to ever know anyway. So I would simply go by what it looks like since that is all you CAN do at this point, and call it a cornsnake, not a cream. I don't see anything in it's phenotype that would point to any emoryi influence anyway.

Bottom line is calling it a corn is a safer bet than calling it a cream at this point since you don't know anything about it whatsoever anyway, and nothing to lean towards emoryi either. Many normal genuine amel corn variations are extremely vivid orange like that when the amel gene strips away all the dark pigment(melanin). :)



~Doug
 
IMO, it looks like a typical amel corn. I see nothing that would make me consider it a creamsicle.
 
Here is Dier, my almost-sunglow. See? He's as orange as the snake you posted.

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Amels come in a huge range. There's a triangle of extremes between the sunglow, the reverse okeetee, and the candy cane with most amels falling somewhere within the triangle.

There's also a fairly unflattering (but somewhat accurate) phrase used by some; the 'vomitmel', which is often applied to an amel with a sort of sickly speckled orange ground color.
 
Once again, thank you for your answers. Reasoning overwhelmingly points to Amel, and I will label him as such. Thank you all for your participation which has helped me make my decision.
 
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