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Are we killing the future market?

There is a difference between the price of the snake and the value of the snake. I can set the price anywhere. The value is what I can actually sell it for. As much as I may like to, I don’t set the value. That is the job of the market which neither you nor I control.

The value of stocks on the stock market goes up and down ever day. They change due to people’s confidence in a company to perform or lack of confidence. The change due to peoples confidence in the market in general. They change due to the availability of disposable cash people have on hand at any given moment.

Nobody controls the market and that is the way it should be. The buyer, not the seller, will always set the value of snakes.
 
Slightly off-topic, I went a bit crazy the first time I saw a Mack snow leopard gecko, and was trying to raise the £850 I was offered it for (I think @ $1,200 or so), until I reasoned that I'm not rich enough to spend that much on a pet, however pretty it is.
 
diamondlil said:
Slightly off-topic, I went a bit crazy the first time I saw a Mack snow leopard gecko, and was trying to raise the £850 I was offered it for (I think @ $1,200 or so), until I reasoned that I'm not rich enough to spend that much on a pet, however pretty it is.
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Yes you got to know your limits as a buyer and a producer of animals. Unless I send some of my high end stuff to Europe. I can see them selling in the US with the poor economy we have. I know that I will be holing back some hatchling morphs this year and put them on a matince diet. When the economy picks up then I will put them up for sale. If not then I have a funny feeling they are Hamm bound

wade you can control the market with a new morph . There come a time when you have to realize that it make no sence to produce more than you can sell look what rich with the butters
 
If I have a new morph and nobody else in the world has it, I can control weather or not it sells. I may hold all of the F1 for myself. I may not put it on the market at all. I may ask $20,000 each and keep all the F1 for myself.

The buyer will determine how much they are willing to pay for my morph. They will set the value, then I have to decide if I want to sell it for that price.
 
Quote:If I have a new morph and nobody else in the world has it, I can control weather or not it sells. I may hold all of the F1 for myself. I may not put it on the market at all. I may ask $20,000 each and keep all the F1 for myself.

The buyer will determine how much they are willing to pay for my morph. They will set the value, then I have to decide if I want to sell it for that price.
That is true, but its a really rare situation.To think, you will be the only one in the world to produce something new .I mean you might be first to hatch it but more then likely others have eggs about to hatch or it has already been produced.
Vinman, I recently was talking to someone in Europe he stated prices on some high end morphs that I cant and wont compete with.He said thats what he could get them there for, so I told him just buy them there then,cause I sure wont sell mine for that!
 
to some degree you are right. 2000 is more like it. That is what most breeders of new corn gene mutation ask. Now lt say no one buys the new gene first year you produce it. Dont drop the price. Just dont produce any more the next & year cross it to another mutation that you think will inhance it. Lets say one of the hypo morphs. That might make a slamming looking anima. Look at thel caramel gene by it self bla looking gene morph, but crossed into any of the many hypo genes a you get one great looking animal. That might make the want for the gene because by it self it did not sell but now that they seen that morph with hypo combo in it and it is beautiful . there will be a demand for that gene. That is why you dont drop the price right away. You wate till you ort cross it and see what you get . The right way to do it it to combo it with other gene morphs before you put up new gene morph for sale this way you can show what it can make. Making the new gene more valuible:dancer::dancer::dancer:
 
But again you are setting a price and saying take it or leave it. That is great. But if your price it such that you can’t sell it what have you accomplished.

In real estate you hire an appraiser to figure out the value of your home. They don’t care how much it cost you to build. They don’t care how much you paid for it 5 years ago. The look at comparable home sales in your neighbor hood on the current market. Not how much others are asking for their homes but how much other have sold homes for. If you can’t sell it, it is worthless. How much the buyer is will to pay is what determines the value.
 
Somewhat right 85% right!!!! . Now if you have a new morph people are going to want it. Think about everyone wants something different right? so if you have a ulgy morph and it dont sell it will when no new gene morphs have poped up. now you need to play with it. You need to cross it into different morphs and multi morphs. It may make something interesting . Now everybody going to want it some may not be able to afford it. but they might be able to shell out for the original gene that they need to make the cross. lets just say I hatch a deep dark purple snake, verry dark almost black. Now lets say no one wants it even though it is a new gene. So what you do is cross the new gene into some other combos. now you hatch out a striped deep lavender or a blue corn evrybody want it and now the ulgy snake has a wating line for 2000 each. so a snake you cound't get anyones interest in, now has a 2 year wating list
 
Not really. If you have a morph that wasn't popular at first and then it is discovered to be in demand because it contributes to a blue corn (keep dreaming! But let's suppose) then it will be in more demand, and then you can do exactly as Rich suggested...
If something sold very quickly, then raise the price a little.
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In your scenario, you are assuming the breeder has these huge facilities to be able to "sit on" the snakes until the demand is there. But most people need to clear the rack of the previous years' snakes to make room for the next years'. A couple of keepers, yes, but sitting on a bunch of morphs because I couldn't get the price I wanted is only going to cost me the time and food and space requirements of raising them.
 
ghosthousecorns said:
Not really. If you have a morph that wasn't popular at first and then it is discovered to be in demand because it contributes to a blue corn (keep dreaming! But let's suppose) then it will be in more demand, and then you can do exactly as Rich suggested...

In your scenario, you are assuming the breeder has these huge facilities to be able to "sit on" the snakes until the demand is there. But most people need to clear the rack of the previous years' snakes to make room for the next years'. A couple of keepers, yes, but sitting on a bunch of morphs because I couldn't get the price I wanted is only going to cost me the time and food and space requirements of raising them.
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The Avon Lady has a valid point......

Hi Jen! :wavey:
 
Heh heh... I can bring some lovely facial skin care products by for a free demonstration and there will be a bonus gift if you buy more than $30 worth...
 
In your scenario, you are assuming the breeder has these huge facilities to be able to "sit on" the snakes until the demand is there. But most people need to clear the rack of the previous years' snakes to make room for the next years'. A couple of keepers, yes, but sitting on a bunch of morphs because I couldn't get the price I wanted is only going to cost me the time and food and space requirements of raising them.
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No , you only produce a handful the first year, if they sell good you make more the next year, if they dont into the frezer 3/4 of them would go . In my case to the bearded dragons they go. That's right cull them, not all but 3/4 to 7/8 of the animals for sale . That is what I mean by over producing. just because you got a new gene does not mean you have to produce a crap load of them the first year. Un less it is a out of this world morph like a bright blue snake. Now of corse you would have taken pic's of the new morph and see what kind of feed back you get on the forum. That would be a indicator. i would do that a year or 2 before I put them on the market. Does this make more sence
 
I guess it would if you are the type that would freeze a snake just because you can't get your asking price. I feel a sense of responsibility for bringing the life into this world and my motivation to want to breed snakes is not just financial gain. I cull a snake if something is wrong with it. I could never cull just to keep prices high, though. Not judging what other breeders choose to do, but I couldn't.
I just really hope yours get euthanized before the beardies get them...
 
Most of us are animal lovers here, Vin.
Most of us breed corns because we love the species.
Most of us believe that creating a life that is healthy and feeds well, only to snuff it out because it's not making you enough money, is an abhorrant, disgusting act....

Most of us have a passion for corns and view them as more than a moneymaker...
 
Vinman said:
into the frezer 3/4 of them would go . In my case to the bearded dragons they go. That's right cull them, not all but 3/4 to 7/8 of the animals for sale .
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That is immoral. Producing animals and killing them because you want to increase demand.
 
I can't imagine myself culling healthy hatchlings, even though I had no problems dealing with the kinked and non-feeder ones
 
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