Are we what we were bought as?

[Ssthisto]

I got these two snakes some time back, and I'm wondering - since I can't find photos of animals KNOWN to be what I bought them as that look like them - whether these two are actually what I thought I was buying.

I won't mention what I bought them as... could anyone here please tell me what they THINK they are based on the photographs below?

Banjo, the male, is more brownish, with reddish tints on the belly; Dolly, the female, is more grey, and does not have the red belly tinting.

 

[RobbiesCornField]

Dolly looks like an anery or charcoal to me. Not sure about Banjo, but he looks like my female Miami.

But that's just IMO.

 

[snakemom1961]

I was going to guess Miami for the male, and anery for the female. I'd love to know what you bought them as.

 

[Ssthisto]

I will say that there's a reason they're in the "off topic" section rather than in the Miscellaneous Cornsnakes or in the Genetics/Cultivars section. They were *not* bought as Pantherophis guttattus.

 

[Carinata]

I am guessing grey ratsnakes

 

[snakewispera snr]

:dgrin:Not.... Radiated Rat snakes:nyah::sidestep:

 

[whippet]

....God I am no good at these. The second looks like some sort of grey rat.

 

[Ssthisto]

*chuckle* They are both apparently the same species, although I do not know whether they are siblings or not.

 

[v_various]

They look like the white sided black rat's I've seen, though obviously not white. I'm tossing my uneducated opinion into the ring : D
(I'll also add the first photo doesn't show enough of the snake)

 

[Ssthisto]

Full dorsal shots of the two of them, which were taken some time ago - the second one should be the female, Dolly.

 

[diamondlil]

Are they Kisatchies?

 

[KJUN]

Are they Kisatchies?

Definitely not the male. Almost no on the female.

Were they bought as pure anything. Don't tell us WHAT they were bought as yet, though.

Do me a favor, please. Post a HEAD shot of the male (first image in first post, right?) and a SIDE shot of the female (second image in second post, right?)

Thanks!
KJ

 

[Tula_Montage]

Were they bought as emoryi? Cause they could almost get away with it!

 

[KJUN]

The ventral pattern on image #1 demonstrates that that one is NOT an P. emoryi. I would be resistant to say it doesn't have some emoryi IN it, though.

The second one doesn't have the correct dorsal pattern for P. emoryi, but a ventral shot count indicate some additional characteristics.

 

[Ssthisto]

Were they bought as pure anything. Don't tell us WHAT they were bought as yet, though.

Yes, they were bought as being pure species specimens of something.

Do me a favor, please. Post a HEAD shot of the male (first image in first post, right?) and a SIDE shot of the female (second image in second post, right?)

Need a top-of-the-head shot of the male and a side-of-the-head shot of the female?

The photo on the white background is the male, top of head/first part of neck pattern. The photo held up against the wood door is the female, head from the side and part of the belly near the tail; the flash has made her look more brown and less grey than she actually is. In real life she has very little brown colouration.

 

[bekers71]

I'm going to say some one sold them to you as pure black rat snake. But looks to me like there is some cornsnake in those genes. Just my guess. LOL

 

[Tula_Montage]

Wait a second. If I am reading your first post right, are you saying you bought these two as supposedly pure specimens of a species, however you can't find any pictures of the species therefore don't actually know what the species looks like?!

If thats the case then all our guesses are pointless as it's clearly not something as common as black rats, emoryi, kistachies or any other common north american rat.

 

[toyah]

Are they elaphe slowinskii?

 

[Sharon]

They look like Becky's beasts lol

 

[Ssthisto]

Wait a second. If I am reading your first post right, are you saying you bought these two as supposedly pure specimens of a species, however you can't find any pictures of the species therefore don't actually know what the species looks like?!

I bought them as pure specimens of a species that, as hatchlings, they certainly could have been members of.

However, as they have grown... they no longer look very much like the species they were bought as. I cannot find photos of animals of that species that look like the animals I have *now* even though photos of the species as hatchlings *did* look like Banjo and Dolly as babies. Whether that's because I've got an odd locality or because they aren't the species I thought I was buying is the question.

They were bought as a North American ratsnake species, and the species I bought them as HAS been mentioned on this thread.