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Can you beat the 3yr turn over? Well...

omni

antiunresemiretirismic
It kinda bites that corns are on about a 3 yr maturity period. I mean, take example two parents with 2 matching hets each. 1/16 chance all 4 match. With small clutches you may just get 1 of that morph. 50% chance that baby is the gender you wanted. Well, your just about locked in with just these 2 parents and the one baby morph. 3 years you wait to mature it. You pair it back to a parent. Now you're jammin lol. 1/4 chance producing another just like it. So with 16 fertile pearlies, you probly will get a few of that morph.
But you only can produce that few, say you now have 5 of that morph in ~3 yrs time. % is a good # of a morph to actually work with it in some qty of hatchlings, but you'll put 3 More Years to produce them.
6 years in now and from your goal to match up 2 hets in 2 snakes to push out a decent qty of a simple 2 trait morph.
So the only way to save yourself these years towards a goal, is work with more than 2 breedings and start with the morph.
I hear a male can go at 2 yr. Well, that's cool , but you need females too, and the above time is based on a whole fertile clutch, and Murphy not showing up.
Point to my rambling is that I see every step towards a goal whatever it is in corns is gonna take 3 yrs. This sux lol. On the other hand corns have been bred (for morphs) as a hobby for like 60 yrs? thats only like 20 generations. Not so many really, thinking there's like 40 morphs in 60 years or 2 new morphs every 3 years.
It's not for me to match up a grandioso 7 trait het corn in my years(head spinning), dont even wanna see how many years to get halfway proved what it is haha.
You can't exactly beat the 3 yr turnover, but you CAN get a bigger collection to work with so you don't notice the years go by :) -> you Need more snakies!
 
You can't exactly beat the 3 yr turnover, but you CAN get a bigger collection to work with so you don't notice the years go by :) -> you Need more snakies!

That kind of sums it up. For the first many years I was producing normals and it sucked. Normal double hets and triple hets. Once those got up to age, however, I could start producing some nice critters and from that point forward I had a cool project every year. Sure, I still created more double and triple hets but some of the doubles and triples I made 3 years ago would produce that year....every year seems to be a good year now! ;)
 
And according to my own body, I could have had babies at 11 years old.

Just because they *can* doesn't mean they are physically mature or ready to handle the physiological burden of it.

I agree with this!!! Yes if a female is big enough at 2 years she could breed. But with that you have a chance of stressing her out to the point that she will never breed or lay again or even kill her. Plus on top of that the eggs that you get from a 2 year old is very very few and very small. You might luck out to get 2-4 hatch out of the maybe 7 that she lays. Just better to wait another year unless you are gambling with a new or rare morph.
 
It has been done alot with no problems. Im not saying runout and do it just answered a question. Psycological problems in a corn Shari you gotta be kidding me funny how people compare mental capacity to a human. LOL
 
Females dont have to be 3yrs old They can go at 2yrs.
This is how you plan to breed? Power feed your animals to get them "up to size"? Your begging for trouble. You shouldn't give out a recommendation like that. Just my .02

And according to my own body, I could have had babies at 11 years old.

Just because they *can* doesn't mean they are physically mature or ready to handle the physiological burden of it.

I agree with this!!! Yes if a female is big enough at 2 years she could breed. But with that you have a chance of stressing her out to the point that she will never breed or lay again or even kill her. Plus on top of that the eggs that you get from a 2 year old is very very few and very small. You might luck out to get 2-4 hatch out of the maybe 7 that she lays. Just better to wait another year unless you are gambling with a new or rare morph.

Exactly! Great posts! Most breeders tend to follow the "Rule Of 3's" (3 years, 3 feet, 300 grams). That is typically the norm. I have had experiences already with immature females. Immature meaning exactly that. The females being used were atleast 3 feet long and over 300 grams but were not mature enough in age to produce a viable clutch. Both of the females laid smaller clutches and all of them were infertile. I am attributing this to them being too young to do the job. Besides smaller and infertile clutches you seriously run the risk of her becoming egg bound and that is an issue all unto itself. You really don't want that to happen. If these are things that can and have happened with young females why should you risk putting undue stress on an animal when you probably should have waited another year. I have learned not to rush the issue. Most of the females we have that we raised from babies are up to par at 3 years of age but I have had and still have animals that won't be ready to breed until they are 4 years old just because I don't feel they are mature enough. We feed on a steady 7-10 day schedule (depending on the size of the animal) and some snakes just grow and mature slower then others. I don't feel comfortable breeding a female that is, in my eyes, boderline to the parameters that would be safe for the snake.

Jay :cool:
 
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Shiari and Jay, wonderful posts. I couldn't agree more. I personally have a few 3 year old females that won't be breeding this year because I don't feel that they are mature enough. Now, males one the other hand, I don't see an issue with breeding a 2 year old, as long as he's big enough to not be intimidated by a larger female.

Psycological problems in a corn Shari you gotta be kidding me funny how people compare mental capacity to a human. LOL

Before making fun of someone, maybe you should read more carefully...she said physiological.
 
Oh here We go again the same ol heated crap again. All i did was answer a question. I didnt say go do It geez. There are big snakes out There that have not been Power feed. This whole thing out of context.
 
It has been done alot with no problems. Im not saying runout and do it just answered a question. Psycological problems in a corn Shari you gotta be kidding me funny how people compare mental capacity to a human. LOL

She didn't say psycological she said physiological. There is a big difference.

psycological - Of, relating to, or arising from the mind or emotions

physiological - Of or consistent with an organism's normal functioning.

- Merriam Webster Dictionary

Jay :cool:
 
Females dont have to be 3yrs old They can go at 2yrs.

And according to my own body, I could have had babies at 11 years old.

Just because they *can* doesn't mean they are physically mature or ready to handle the physiological burden of it.

It has been done alot with no problems. Im not saying runout and do it just answered a question. Psycological problems in a corn Shari you gotta be kidding me funny how people compare mental capacity to a human. LOL

Oh here We go again the same ol heated crap again. All i did was answer a question. I didnt say go do It geez. There are big snakes out There that have not been Power feed. This whole thing out of context.

For the record, she said "physiological," not 'psychological." No one is comparing the mentality of snakes and humans here; I assume you just misread it.

Yes, 2YO females have been bred with no problem. These animals are the exception, not the rule. This is risky breeding practice, dangerous for the females, and likely to result in problems and a shortened life span even when clutches are laid without initial difficulty.

Sorry Chad, but you implied "go do it."
 
Oh here We go again the same ol heated crap again. All i did was answer a question. I didnt say go do It geez. There are big snakes out There that have not been Power feed. This whole thing out of context.
Chad do you have any personal experience in breeding? If not, you shouldn't be giving out information like that. This isn't the "same ol heated crap" as you call it. We are just disagreeing with your post stating that it could be detrimental to the animal if it is bred while being too immature. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are picking a fight? It is information that is being passed on by others who have more experience then you. Again, just because a female may be long enough or weigh enough doesn't mean that she is sexually or "physiologically" mature enough.
By your last post it seems that you are the one trying to pick a fight. You made a statement, you were corrected, have a nice day. Geez. :shrugs:

Jay :cool:
 
And on a final note all breeding Is a risk. Young or old. Some more risky than others. Have a Good one.
 
I have been breeding cornsnakes 4 a while now,I have accidently bred 2 yrs old snakes and have had both good and bad results......I will say that it is not a good practice....

I usually wait 3 yrs min. some I have waited 4-5 yrs and the results are 100% better with higher fertility,clutch sizes,snakes health after laying laying and life span of the snake in general.......
 
So PJ. How did you get thats how plan to breed????
Once again blabla
First of all. My wife is PJ. I am Jay, as you can see by my user name. Or, did your selective dyslexia kick in again for the second time in this thread?
Secondly. I did not say this IS how you plan to breed. I asked you a question that's all. Did you not see the question mark I placed at the end of the sentence? <-------------- It looks like this one right here.
Lastly. As for your "blabla"? I will leave that one alone as you are definitely not worth a ban. I like this place and I don't want a vacation right now. Oh yeah, you might want to learn to write in complete sentences. It makes you look intelligent. You left the word "I" out of your first sentence. Spelling helps too, as far as looking intelligent. "Bla" is actually spelled "Blah".

Jay :cool:
 
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