My long response...
As the mother of four, there are often days I would rather them not be
seen nor heard :grin01: And after 18 yrs of parenting I have used up most of my patience on my own children so don't want to put up with anyone else's kids(but I do :shrugs: ).
I also have some of those obnoxious kids. I didn't want those dead in front of the TV stupid robotic kids, or for them to grow up being meally mouth, sit in the corner, domestic violence victim types. I have always encouraged them to be curious, speak their mind and be an individual. I may be paying for it now, and annoying the crap out of all you adults out there :grin01:, but I have an 18yr old son who is living on his own and supporting himself(seems to be an oddity these days) and my girls will definitely be strong minded women.
I agree that it would be easier if corporal punishment was still acceptable. There was something to be said about having the "fear" put into your backsides that kept us in line as yougsters. But as with all things the pendulum will swing back and maybe our society will hit a happy medium.
In the meantime, just remember if you don't like kids- don't have any

And give all us parents a break, we have to put up with enough griping from our kids :sidestep: