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Do you list all possible hets?

Wyldrose

Wyldrose

Addicted to corns!
I was wondering what people do when they have a huge list of possible hets.

Like I am planning on breeding my caramel het amel, hypo and motley to my amel het caramel and diffused.
So a butter hatchling would be 50% ph hypo, mot and diffused.

In a couple years I will be testing my male normal who is either het ultra or amel with an amel, so those hatchlings will also have lots of possible hets, charcoal, diffused etc.

All the snakes I have purchased where sold with only known hets. I found out the male diffused I have is het caramel.
 
I do. I try to make my description as complete as possible. I know that a possible het could either enhance a breeding project, or just complicate one. And even then if one of my parent snakes had a possible het that I didn't know about I might end up hatching a surprise, that has happened once or twice!
 
I do! I don't buy a snake because of poss hets, but it sure helps with future planning and can eliminate surprises when the poss het proves out.
 
Depends. If it's a more valuable phenotype, I usually will. I have sold baby balls and corns het and poss het for some pretty valuable mutations for under 50 bucks through my store (and cheaper at shows) as normals, and reveal nothing.
 
I'd say it honestly depends on the buyer. if its someone that just wants the snake as a pet, just tell them the visual morph... if its someone on here that cares, give them the entire list of hets and phets
 
I list all hets and possible hets.
Plus, I may even add that there is a wee chance of "x" het if one parent (or both) is poss. het, for "x", but has not been proven out yet. This is meant as info only (not to really be counted upon) but also so that if "x" does happen to pop up, if/when that particular snake is bred, it is no surprise and it is known how it happened to come about.

At shows, I list hets, and poss. hets (no matter what price I put on them) but most customers, at shows, are just looking for pets and wish to spend the least amount of money. So, for that reason, there may come a time, or there may be some instances, where I will not list hets at shows.
 
I only list 100% hets, but then I give the parents and their hets as well. Anyone with a serious eye on breeding should be able to work out the possible hets from the parents' details.
 
Chip said:
Depends. If it's a more valuable phenotype, I usually will. I have sold baby balls and corns het and poss het for some pretty valuable mutations for under 50 bucks through my store (and cheaper at shows) as normals, and reveal nothing.
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-_- i will be watching you sales :)
 
I list all hets and possibles. Amel and hypo always seem to screw things up, so it's nice to know if they might be present.
 
I list known and possible hets on everything except they are wholesaled or given away to be pets (kinked but doing great otherwise hatchlings and I don't even list the morph of those). I also provide ACR information so anyone can look up the lineage there, if there is one, and I've remembered to update it. ;)
 
I list it on the deli at shows and for sale ads. but if a person contacts me who just wants a pet and doesn't care about genetic background then I don't bother unless they ask.
As someone who has bought and sold I know if I am buying for a specific project I will ask the breeder about the hets, it's the responsibility of both parties I think? If you want to know hets- ask the breeder at the show or via email.
 
We list everything in our ads and if anyone asks I will write them done, along with all known possible hets as well.
I agree with Nate, that amel and hypo mess up plans with some projects so its nice to be able to avoid any possibility, that being said I would add ultra to that list also.
And I also agree with Jen that it is responsibility of both parties to ask and to know and inform as best as possible.
Personally I proved out an extra gene on a few males and a female that weren't even known possible hets this season and went back to everyone that had purchased babies from those that I knew was interested in the genetics and just let them know that those possible genes COULD be floating around in there somewhere. I feel that is part of my responsibility as a "breeder" to make sure I follow up with others who have purchased them, especially those with intentions of breeding them in the future.
That being said from a buying stand point if I buy something without knowing all hets and possible hets it's gotta be something really good, if I don't have use for the genetics in what I am currently working with or if they are something I don't want to work with I simply won't buy them, for any price.
 
I will list possible hets when i breed, just because some buyers MAY be willing to take a gamble for the right price.
 
We list hets and poss hets from parents 100% hrts but don't carry down the parents poss hets. However we do also provide details of the parent including all their hets and poss hets so people can work out what the 'poss poss hets' are!
 
To make it complicated. How far back in the pedigree should you look?
Sure pos hets from parents should be listed, but should pos het from grandparents be listed as well?

I breed for polygenetic patterns with snakes from different morphs. I never bought an animal because of the specific morph but because of its pattern. So, my hatchlings have many mixed hets.

It is not good for the buyer to know possible hets that might be there but wit very low probability.
 
I always list the definite hets and try to list the possible ones when there is space in the place that I am listing them. If I can't list them all, then I just mention them to potential customers, especially if they seem to know something about genetics. Whenever I list hets, though, I have learned to de-emphasize them and write them in parentheses and smaller than the actual morph name..... or else a fair number of people that have no idea about genetics get confused and will start calling them what they are het for, or worse yet, what they are possible het for.
 
Wyldrose said:
I was wondering what people do when they have a huge list of possible hets.

Like I am planning on breeding my caramel het amel, hypo and motley to my amel het caramel and diffused.
So a butter hatchling would be 50% ph hypo, mot and diffused.

In a couple years I will be testing my male normal who is either het ultra or amel with an amel, so those hatchlings will also have lots of possible hets, charcoal, diffused etc.

All the snakes I have purchased where sold with only known hets. I found out the male diffused I have is het caramel.
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ABSOLUTELY!!..........

I always try to know every single detail regarding the snakes I work with and breed. Listing ALL the known genetics of the animals, as well as the "possible" genotype (s) is the ONLY way to keep track of anything in the future. I think it is very irresponsible not to divulge everything that has to do with their genetics or "possible" genetics if it is known by the breeder/seller to be quite honest. It could REALLY screw up someone's projects down the road that acquired offspring from you otherwise, not to mention even toss a big wrench in your own projects. This can save years of work and wasted time.

Pet stores and many other folks are basically only interested in the outward visual phenotype of their animals, not necessarily what they might be heterozygous for as well. This is why many of the snakes that are bought and bred are virtually like going to Las Vegas and spinning the roulette wheel.

Hell, even many of the VERY obvious morph phenotypes are grossly misidentified by stores and breeders too.


~Doug
 
DMong said:
I think it is very irresponsible not to divulge everything that has to do with their genetics or "possible" genetics if it is known by the breeder/seller to be quite honest.
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In defense of those who don't divulge, in some cases, you have valuable mutations that are sluggish sellers in a bad economy. It is these cases in which I will sell normals without disclosing hets. To use real life examples, if someone later realizes their normal ball was het pied or their amel hognose is het snow, I don't think they are going to complain! I am more than happy to do this with poss. hets especially.
 
I'm probably going to list all hets and possible hets. If things work out how I want them to, I'll have some normal het amel carmel charcoal motley's. I think that should bump the price up a little.
 
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