Getting tired of it...

[jazzgeek]

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

SO FUNNY! Tears, I tell you, tears. I will reply here because I do not bemoan the contentiousness of this forum.

Nor do I. I too enjoy a good debate, as long as it's the issue and not the person that's being debated.

I come here every day for mbdorfer's pics and will continue to do so!

LOL, I'm here for Mike's musical and "child of the 70s" references.

When you get to this age, you'll understand. (Now get off my lawn.)

regards,
jazz

 

[tyflier]

Nor do I. I too enjoy a good debate, as long as it's the issue and not the person that's being debated.

LOL, I'm here for Mike's musical and "child of the 70s" references.

When you get to this age, you'll understand. (Now get off my lawn.)

regards,
jazz

And I come here because you, jazzgeek, never fail to make me laugh and realize just how serious this internet business is supposed to be...

 

[Tula_Montage]

Nor do I. I too enjoy a good debate, as long as it's the issue and not the person that's being debated.

LOL, I'm here for Mike's musical and "child of the 70s" references.

When you get to this age, you'll understand. (Now get off my lawn.)

regards,
jazz

You have to love Mike

Best Thread Titles of the year goes to him...

 

[desertanimal]

[/i]LOL, I'm here for Mike's musical and "child of the 70s" references.

When you get to this age, you'll understand. (Now get off my lawn.)

regards,
jazz

I'm pretty sure when I'm your age, the 70s references will still escape me, but maybe I'll get the teenager of the 90s references. Technically, I think I was a child of the 80s, but I missed all of that, because I was outside flipping rocks.

 

[jazzgeek]

And I come here because you, jazzgeek, never fail to make me laugh and realize just how serious this internet business is supposed to be...

Thanks, Chris, but another Chris has always put it best:

It's just snakes.

(intentionally misspelled :grin01: )

This "internet bidness" is as serious or silly, fun or boring, as you make it.

regards,
jazz

 

[lefty_mussolini]

Well... where to start???

This topic is something that I've thought about quite a bit. I'm just going to give personal feelings. Some of you may have the same feelings. Some of you may not. That doesn't matter though. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm just posting how I feel about the current situation. If you do relate to what I'm going to say... cool. Maybe we can start a club

I've been a member here for a little while, and I have noticed things have changed on the forum. I've been a member of this world for 25 years and 8 months and I can't help but notice that many things have changed in the world in that time too. Things change. I'm not going to get all broken up about it. I will just try to make the place/time that I'm in, a tolerable place/time to be a part of.

I do think that the biggest part of what has changed around here is that quite a few people have left. Some of them were people that were regulars here that made the place what it was. But they are gone, so now it's different. Many times in this thread it has been said that this forum used to have a very "homey" feel and that it is gone now. Have you ever lived in a home where the older kids went off to college? It takes a little time to re-adjust and get that feeling of home and family back after part of that family leaves, but it happens. It's time for all of the rest of us kids to step up to the plate and get that family feeling back, rather than bicker and complain that things are different.

And I think that to feel that the Chat thread didn't have a huge part in this big change is kind of silly. It drove a few people out of here. Whether the chat thread was the only issue, or just the straw that broke the camel's back is neither here nor there. People did leave because of that thread. And I'm not hesitant in saying that I was pretty disappointed with the people that completely left because of it. That thread was so stupid and silly and I couldn't believe that people were taking it so seriously.

And yes, I do agree that hobbyist breeder/pet owner ratio has changed. And it will change again. And again. And again.
Sorry pet owners, but the topics that interest me most are the breeder oriented topics. No offense, but I deal with MANY pet owners everyday at work. I don't come home to get on the computer and do the same. That doesn't mean, however, that I don't think that you should post about your pets. Post away. I'm glad that you love and are caring for your animals. But I am less likely to read the pet oriented threads.
Now to the breeders. *whispers* Just wait a couple of months. Half of the pet owners will be breeders.
Dean said it himself. Most of us started out as pet owners. We came here for info and to share our pics of our pets. Then we got out of control and bought a million snakes. The only thing that has changed is that there are a few less breeders here. Again, a bit of a change on our forum that we are still adjusting to. Give that a few months. We will see who the next Dean's or Trevor's will be.

All in all, I think the changes that have come up recently have been taken too seriously by too many people. Things change. Let's not let it get to us. Everyone being uptight about things having changed is causing people to lash out, which is causing more unpleasant change.

To all of the old timers that are sick of the n00bs, and to all of the n00bs that are asking "wut is rong wit mah sanke?!?!?!111"... :cheers:
Let's make this place home again

 

[CaptBogart]

It seems I have a lot of reputation to spread around...

Hey Jazz, I found the Comet under the sink... and a couple Hale-Bopp members... :sidestep:

 

[El Jefe]

As we continue to cite our links for what personally constitutes an "annoying thread", and as we continue to request said links for "proof" of the contention that's been going on as of late, guess what happens?

This thread will morph into an annoying, contentious thread. :grin01:


By the way, I'm a huge fan of irony. :cheers:


regards,
jazz

Short and concise....and right on the button. I like it.

 

[Clint Boyer]

I'm getting frustrated with the direction this forum seems to be taking.

This site started out as an alternative to another corn snake site which had some issues.

As this site developes, it will change. I haven't been visiting this site consistantly like I did for a year or more. Honestly, I don't come to corn snake sites for idle gossip or basic care discussion.

My surfing style is evolving, I now open several windows with a different site in each one and surf all of them trying to find what interests me.

I think these sites will continue to evolve since anyone and everyone can have a forum of some type. There will be sites that are very general to sites that are extremely specific.

 

[jzal8]

Though I have not gotten involved before in these discussions, I feel compelled to say something now. It is simple, the reason that I am no longer interested in the things that go on here in this forum is because of threads like this. This thread is actually the perfect example. Instead of reading page after page about someones breeding experience, or project results...i am stuck reading someone's highschool hallway gossip and rants.

It took me a long time to decide that I was no longer happy on this forum, and I never once felt disrespected at all or backstabbed by anyone here. The simple fact is that besides a small number of members still active here that i could probably count on one hand, I just don't see the kind of quality posts that I did when I first started coming here.

I used to admire how resourceful this forum was. It used to feel really special to know that the cultivar/genetics thread i was following, was detailing the trials and tribulations of a ground breaking project. That is not present here anymore, and garbage like this thread has replaced it.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here, and I will still remain an active member, though to what extent I don't know. I hope you all understand the point I am trying to get across.

 

[RyanR]

Well yes that is the idea...

Hey, thanx to you i joined there too.. lets hope its as good as you said :grin01:

 

[Eremita]

Ahem. Well, I agree with many folks here, but I would at least like to provide my perspective, since I think really that is all that is happening here (beyond more Elle bashing which crops up every now and again and to which I would like to say that the only thing "wrong" with her style is perhaps being a bit self-focused. And, as this is obviously a "this is how I feel" thread, this is the wrong place to complain about that).

I have one corn snake. The addiction, as it is known, has some pull for me but I have command of my actions and I will have one corn snake for quite some time, I think. However, I am not interested in asking a bunch of questions about corn snake care, and I attempt to avoid uninvited digressions. If people do not enjoy my few posts, I hope they can easily skip them and not feel as if I have ruined "their" site. Since I sent Rich my $25, I imagine I will be on here regularly at least through next October regardless of what people think of me or say about me. If I am particularly sensitive, I think at least that I can leave that characteristic aside while here.

There are plenty of interesting threads here. Mostly I try to hit the Photo threads most regularly because I like to see the snakes, and then cheat by looking at certain regular contributors' postings to ferret out the interesting topics. There are a lot of threads that I judge by the title aren't going to interest me, and I do not read them. Problem solved. Argumentative threads are fine by my standards, although why people sometimes have to rant about the same thing over and over rather escapes me (hence my perhaps ambiguous post in Tara's thread). I find it entertaining how many threads involve members talking about the nature of our community here; we obviously take the matter to heart even if we never get anywhere. And there are a lot of folks still here and still making excellent posts. We make this forum worthwhile or not by example, by filling it with what we want and passing over what we do not, much as Trevor suggested.

Finally, for Mike. I'd only really get bummed out if you gave up on us.

-Sean

 

[Nanci]

Finally, for Mike. I'd only really get bummed out if you gave up on us.

-Sean

If anything ever happened to Mike I would die of spontaneous Kingsnake withdrawal...

Nanci

 

[Marshall_P]

body slammed!

A year or so back I posted some pics of my corns eating, one was still in the cage while another was eating at the other end, ok I admit that was wrong husbandry but the extremely rude way it was handled has prompted me not to share as much on this forum, I think I was body-slammed in the post and it's not the first time, I've seen it happene many times to others as well, and the funny part is it's usually from the same people that think they know everything, so agreed, definitely not the same place...

 

[Plissken]

I love this place and like many of the people here. I do however feel that separating the members is not the right way forward, ie. deciding a ratio of hobbyist breeders/pet owners. (Not aimed at you Dean; just an example.) Why are we catergorizing and dividing ourselves? Surely all that matters is that we all love corn snakes.

I'm not trying to say that anyone here values breeder members more than petkeeper members. Not at all. But new members who are excited about their first ever corn snake are to be encouraged, not sighed over. After all, they're the next generation of hobbyist breeders.

 

[mbdorfer]

Finally, for Mike. I'd only really get bummed out if you gave up on us.

-Sean

I ain't goin' nowhere!

If anything ever happened to Mike I would die of spontaneous Kingsnake withdrawal...

The kings are staying too! :grin01:

Thanks for the kind words, you people are the BEST! :cheers:

 

[carol]

I love this place and like many of the people here. I do however feel that separating the members is not the right way forward, ie. deciding a ratio of hobbyist breeders/pet owners. (Not aimed at you Dean; just an example.) Why are we catergorizing and dividing ourselves? Surely all that matters is that we all love corn snakes.

I'm not trying to say that anyone here values breeder members more than petkeeper members. Not at all. But new members who are excited about their first ever corn snake are to be encouraged, not sighed over. After all, they're the next generation of hobbyist breeders.

I don't think it's about dividing people up, it's really about post content. A site will go where ever the majority will take it as long as the admin goes along. Things change and that's how it is. People will go visit what they are in the mood for when they are in the mood for it. Much like different restaurants. It would be nice not to have to sift through so much hostility here though. Unfortunately, I do feel that a lot of posters are inexperienced but post advice anyway, when asked to back up their statements they try to get themselves out of the spotlight by attacking someone else and drawing attention elsewhere. I admit I see some terrible advice out there sometimes, but am afraid to post to the contrary because I just don't have time to deal with the attack that will bring.

 

[Plissken]

I don't think it's about dividing people up, it's really about post content. A site will go where ever the majority will take it as long as the admin goes along. Things change and that's how it is. People will go visit what they are in the mood for when they are in the mood for it. Much like different restaurants. It would be nice not to have to sift through so much hostility here though. Unfortunately, I do feel that a lot of posters are inexperienced but post advice anyway, when asked to back up their statements they try to get themselves out of the spotlight by attacking someone else and drawing attention elsewhere. I admit I see some terrible advice out there sometimes, but am afraid to post to the contrary because I just don't have time to deal with the attack that will bring.

I agree with you Carol and understand that post content is the main culprit. However I didn't wish to comment on that side of things - there is nothing I could have said that hadn't been said already - so I aimed my post at the divide between "breeders" and "pet owners" because I feel an issue does exist there, though it isn't as prevalant as the content in posts. Still one that needs to be addressed, however (in my opinion). Several posts on this thread have indeed said they respond differently to topics depending on who made it and while I understand obvious spam or unintelligent (want of a better word) posts deflecting attention - "Y wonT mi sanki eaat!!???" would put me off too - I don't feel it's valid to disregard all newcomer or pet owner posts on that ground alone. The fact that someone has only one or two snakes for pleasure doesn't mean they have nothing worth while to say.

 

[carol]

The fact that someone has only one or two snakes for pleasure doesn't mean they have nothing worth while to say.

Very, very true!

 

[snake5007]

This is the opinion that i have of when a senior member points something out to a newb. (Which includes me.)