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How many to keep from a project ?

Stephen29

Stephen29

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I have a few projects I plan on doing this coming year, were my snakes will be producing 100% hets from two diffrent types of traits . So when it comes to keeping some of the F 2 offspring, is there a certain number of males and females that I need to keeep to raise up ?
 
Murphy and I know each other very well, so any project that I really want to work in, I keep a minimum of 2.3, but ideally, as many as I can, and if that's the entire clutch, so be it. There is nothing worse than having a project go bad when you lose all of one sex.

My ice blood project ended up that way...had 2.2, lost one male at about 2 years old and then the other male a month before getting ready to brumate the trio. Had to look for a new male that was at least het for lava (got an anery het lava) and hoped to at least get a lava or an ice that showed some het bloodred markers. Well, that male never bred either female after months of him semi-trying. Frustrated, I put a bloodred het anery male in with one female and he managed one successful mating, I got a semi-decent clutch, but all but one egg went bad. Lady Luck did at least shine a little bit as that sole remaining egg contained a lovely bloodred het anery female. I'm hoping my new young ice male will have better luck with the girls in 2010.
 
Depends on what you think your luck is like. Personally, I would normally keep ALL of a clutch if the sex ratio is half-way decent. And btw, don't cut yourself short on males. A lot of people will do that, get slapped REAL hard by Murphy's Law, and then be sunk with the project. I don't know how many people have purchased 1.4 of some project animals from me, and I just shake my head at their lack of realistic foresight. I also don't know how many people over the years that have contacted me in a panic during the breeding season because they lost their only male and needed one RIGHT NOW for a project they were working on.

Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.

Quite frankly, unless I have three males for breeding stock (no matter how many females), I feel like I'm too close to the edge of failure on playing the odds to make it worthwhile pursuing.
 
Depends on how serious I am for a project.. 2.2 if its not a project that enthralls me, or I just hold the whole clutch.. In some cases I just need to be male or just females held back because I have similair or the smae genetics already cooking.. I am getting closer to having project coming to reality and I should be able to produce more than just one or two of the morph I am waiting for .. Of course this might be the reason on why some days we feel over whelmed...

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
I think for me it depends on the odds of the outcome I'm looking for.

If it is a 1/16 project then probably I'd keep 2.2 or 2.3.

If it is a 1/64 project then probably 2.4 or 2.5.

I agree with the above posts about not putting your eggs in one male's basket!

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As many as you can,the better chances you will have getting what you want I have bred 3 females in the past all het for 3 recesiive genes.I didnt get any of what I was shooting for, with 3 clutchs! Thats partly why the price of some new morphs should stay High.If your lucky enough to make it to those 3 clutchs and get what your shooting for. So from experience I would say keep as many as you can and always start with the best stock you can find no matter how long it takes to get them.I have been on waiting lists for the perfect animal for projects for over 2 years.Then had to grow it out and so on its a very long process that takes alot of time and luck!:cheers:
 
Rich Z said:
Depends on what you think your luck is like. Personally, I would normally keep ALL of a clutch if the sex ratio is half-way decent. And btw, don't cut yourself short on males. A lot of people will do that, get slapped REAL hard by Murphy's Law, and then be sunk with the project. I don't know how many people have purchased 1.4 of some project animals from me, and I just shake my head at their lack of realistic foresight. I also don't know how many people over the years that have contacted me in a panic during the breeding season because they lost their only male and needed one RIGHT NOW for a project they were working on.

Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.

Quite frankly, unless I have three males for breeding stock (no matter how many females), I feel like I'm too close to the edge of failure on playing the odds to make it worthwhile pursuing.
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Rich, I don't feel too lucky. I think I'll start with 3.3 or maybe a 3.4 .
 
I'm at the beginning stages of my projects - so close to the beginning, in fact, that the oldest of my project hopeful parents are only yearlings. (This doesn't count the adult male I'm getting next week from Rich Z.) Don't tell my husband Dan, but I'm planning to keep most of the critters I hatch from these animals. I'm sure I'll have to let go of a few to help pay the snakes' food bills - at least in Dan's mind! - but I'm hoping to develop a particular look, not a new morph. That means I won't know if the hatchlings have the look I'm going for until the babies are 1-2 years old at a minimum. Murphy and I have met, and I'm hoping to escape his notice or at least appease his sense of injustice by having plenty of breeding stock in my small way.
 
I'm terrible in that respect - I have bought 1.1 pairs twice :D Space constraints when I was in the market meant that I couldn't really justify getting 2.3 or 2.4 of either of them.

Granted, one of those 1.1 pairs hit the 1-in-64 jackpot last year - I produced what I am now pretty certain is a Glacier (Snopal) Stripe. Shame she's a female and is going to take longer to prove out as homozygous lavender! From the clutch I kept her, her Anery-Lavender 66% possible het Amel / Stripe brother and her Snow Stripe 66% possible het Lavender brother. Fortunately I have homozygous females of the possible-het traits to test them against.

Now, when I'm creating my own project hets, I'll be keeping 2.3 back when I can.
 
adsclarke said:
I think for me it depends on the odds of the outcome I'm looking for.

If it is a 1/16 project then probably I'd keep 2.2 or 2.3.

If it is a 1/64 project then probably 2.4 or 2.5.
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This is what I do too, also taking into account how many genes I'm working with. I have a couple projects where I ended up with hatchlings het for 5 and 6 genes, so I kept the best of the clutches, giving me 3.8 and 2.6. I then repeated the same breeding's the following year, where I kept around the same amount. The theory is, if anything goes horribly wrong, I have backup's only a year behind...
 
I'd go with the "keep as many as you can rule".Of course everything depends on the numbers of females I get.From my sunkissed caramel bloodred project last year I kept 6.6 and from this year's sunkissed lavender bloodred project 6.11. I go with 3 to 6 males for every 2 to 12 females,if the ratio is right.
When I have more males then it's 2 males for every female,most of the times.
 
stephen said:
As many as you can,the better chances you will have getting what you want I have bred 3 females in the past all het for 3 recesiive genes.I didnt get any of what I was shooting for, with 3 clutchs! Thats partly why the price of some new morphs should stay High.If your lucky enough to make it to those 3 clutchs and get what your shooting for. So from experience I would say keep as many as you can and always start with the best stock you can find no matter how long it takes to get them.I have been on waiting lists for the perfect animal for projects for over 2 years.Then had to grow it out and so on its a very long process that takes alot of time and luck!:cheers:
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This is the best advice because the odds are not always in your favor. If you keep a pair or 1.2 and the eggs go bab, then what, OR, what happens if the male turns out to be a dud, then you are dead in the water...

As suggested by so many others, I would keep 2.3 or 3.3 at a bare minimum if the sex ratio is in your favor. The assumption is that this is more than just say an attempt to reproduce snows or something more "common place". Not that those are not wothy projects, just they are so available, no need to keep a ton of babies when you can pick additional ones up from other breeders.

Just my 2 cents.

dc
 
Lord knows how many projects I have sitting here pretty much from a full clutch... Granted I can't seem to give a cold away even if I put animals up for sale.. *shrugs*

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
I am doing a breedling loan with Carol this year. We are breeding my granite stripe het amel to her sunkissed.

I plan on keeping all of my share of these babies.
 
I've only got one real project, Christmas hypo blood. I have a clutch from last year that contains normal hets, christmas hypo hets and amel hets (that was a lucky discovery in both parents). I think four were difficult feeders that I gave to a friend. The rest are staying. It think the ratio is split down the middle, if I remember corectly. The more you keep the better your odds of getting what you set out for.
 
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