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How to Identify Tessera Stripe from Stripe?

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nancyg

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I think this is the right place to post this question, If not, can the moderator move it to the appropriate location?

Over in the for sale threads, there are a pair of stripe snakes for sale. 'from a Tessera clutch, and the male shows signs of being Tessera'

When I look at the pics I just see two very pretty striped snakes.. The second one appears to have a second set of striping on the sides just above the belly, Is that what a Stripe Tessera would have? I don't see any black or dark pigment on the snakes Isn't Stripe like Motley in having a hypo effect on black pigment? I thought one of the things with Tessera was that you had black in the patterns as well?

Here is the thread.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1643434#post1643434
 
You are right on with the markers to distinguish tessera and stripes. The problem comes when you combine the two. The tesseras without stripes are easy to pick out. Picking the stripes from tessera stripes, not so much.
 
I'd start by looking through some of Don Soderberg's Snake or the Day posts, which he archives, for striped tesserae comparisons. He currently is talking about that subject right now with 2 anerythristic stripe hatchlings as SOTD. His site is cornsnakes.net.

Outside of that, and you'll notice his own perplexed view on tessera and stripe, there has been some interesting discussion here regarding said subject.

I'm trying, and potentially a feeble effort, to make rhyme or reason out of the mutation without the laboratory tools that might even be needed.
 
Add in motley, and it gets even worse. This is why I am keeping my stripes and Tesseras separate. Otherwise, it would be soooo easy to bread Heart Attack into a tessera line...
 
Nanci said:
Add in motley, and it gets even worse. This is why I am keeping my stripes and Tesseras separate. Otherwise, it would be soooo easy to bread Heart Attack into a tessera line...
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I have to agree with Nanci, I like a Tessera to look like a Tessera and a stripe to look like a stripe.
 
well, I like some the 'tesselated' tesseras... but I also really dig those nice stripes with full colors, black, and browns and whatever other morph is combined in there.

So are either of those snakes in that thread Tessera? Most of the pics I've seen, of Tessera hatchlings and babies usually seem to have a pretty obvious pattern. Those stripe babies are from 2013, so they are at least 6 months old by now, right? That's a few sheds and some growth. Shouldn't the Tessera be showing more?

Ok, now I'm off to look at Don Soderberg's stuff, thank you for the suggestion Herps of Nm... (btw did you realize how close that sounds to the book 'The Rats of NIHM? - I keep thinking of lab altered intelligent reptiles trying to set up a civilization - snakes have no hands or thumbs, this is gonna be hard work)
 
Nanci? What will the cross between Heart Attack and Daisy look like? She is het for stripe so there ought to be a few stripes, right? Will any of them be Tessera peppermints? (not sure what genes are in peppermint)
 
nancyg said:
Those stripe babies are from 2013, so they are at least 6 months old by now, right? That's a few sheds and some growth. Shouldn't the Tessera be showing more?
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Stripe washed out the tesselated pattern completely. But tessera usually makes for some sharp stripes. I like them, but totally get why people are keeping them separate.
nancyg said:
Nanci? What will the cross between Heart Attack and Daisy look like? She is het for stripe so there ought to be a few stripes, right? Will any of them be Tessera peppermints? (not sure what genes are in peppermint)
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I'll chime in here since Daisy is my snake. I bought her as het amel stripe, but neither proved out last year. If she misses two years in a row, she got mislabeled somewhere along the way.
 
Heart x Daisy didn't breed this year. All the babies last year went to Carol. They were normals and motleys and tesseras and probably some motley tesseras, but who knows...Pretty snakes- great feeders- just very disappointing for Carol and Chip to not have the amel and stripe prove out.
 
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