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Hypo Ashy Corns

I guess in the US, peppermint to me conjures up those round red and white peppermint candies. But I know exactly what peppermint ice cream looks like- white with little red specks.

Ash gray to me is like pigeon gray. Almost a blue gray.

I like cinder, and I also liked Z. It seemed mysterious.

Nanci
 
blckkat said:
I don't like the name Cinder . :shrugs: I think it makes no sense.
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I think it makes perfect sense. The Wikipedia scientific nomenclature aside, the reddish/mahogany wash they develop as they mature reminds me of the glowing embers of fireplace ashes.

When trying to reach a consensus on a trade name (kudos to Carol for doing that, btw, instead of pushing a name on us all), most people thought that "ember" was too close to "amber".....and thus, "cinder" was born.

I don't mind "peppermint" either; "Amel Cinder" works for me just as well. :)

regards,
jazz
 
Peppermint brings to mind blue/green, really? That's certainly interesting. In my area of the US it's red/white...Like Candycanes and as Nanci said, Peppermint Icecream (mmmmm, now I want some of that!). Mint or Spearmint brings up blue/green in my mind though.

I do think that Ember makes more sense then Cinder, but there is the problem with Ember/Amber of course that stinks.
 
Tula_Montage said:
I love cinder... and thats what I call them in discussions with others about the morph.

I don't think peppermint is a good name for amel cinders because in the UK peppermint suggests green or blue cool mints... IMO It needs to be universal or there will be a high amount of confusion.
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So they can't be called 'peppermint' because one small country thinks of peppermints as blue or green cool mints? A place where a 'peppermint' corn does not even exist yet...nor will it for quite a while, I'd assume.

That makes a ton of sense.

Do a google image search for 'peppermint candy'. See what comes up. I saw no blue and/or green mints.
 
That was a little rude Joe. I never said they can not be called peppermint just because I don't like the name and IMO it makes absolutly no sense to me, I was just pointing out that us Brits may run into some confusion over this "peppermint" corn. There are always going to be people who disagree with the name of a morph and call it something else... for example some UK sellers tart up normals by calling them carolinas... I don't like that name either.

You have to remember that corn snake cultivars are just as popular in the UK... And the rest of Europe. I can guarentee you that most people would not use the name "peppermint" for an orange and white corn snake, I certinaly wouldn't. Amel cinder works just fine for me.

As for the availablity of the moprh, indeed it doesn't exist here, but I don't think it will be that long...
 
Joejr14 said:
So they can't be called 'peppermint' because one small country thinks of peppermints as blue or green cool mints? A place where a 'peppermint' corn does not even exist yet...nor will it for quite a while, I'd assume.
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I appreciate we're only a small country, but as far as corn snakes go I think we've probably got quite a decent sized market for them, breeders and buyers. Harder to run into new morphs since we can't go out and catch wild snakes, but once they become available they end up in the UK quite quickly (and quite expensively!).

No one person gets the authority to name a corn morph - that goes to the person who thinks up the name that sticks best! But my opinion on the name peppermint would be that it should be green - peppermint green, and that it's probably a mistake in a global corn snake market, where imports are freely sent from one country to another on a hugely regular basis, to use a name that is so firmly from one culture that it becomes nonsensical (or at least completely bizarre) in another. I appreciate my opinion is from a country where no amel cinders yet exist, but most opinions on this will, I believe, be from states of the US where amel cinders don't yet exist, so how is that much different!
 
toyah said:
No one person gets the authority to name a corn morph - that goes to the person who thinks up the name that sticks best! But my opinion on the name peppermint would be that it should be green - peppermint green, and that it's probably a mistake in a global corn snake market, where imports are freely sent from one country to another on a hugely regular basis, to use a name that is so firmly from one culture that it becomes nonsensical (or at least completely bizarre) in another.
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I don't find in nonsensical to name a morph developed in a country by a name that's widely recognizable in that country. Cornsnakes are American, after all, and anyone keeping them knows that. What color and flavour are candy canes in the UK? Here, the classic candy cane is red and white with peppermint flavour, though they can be bought in other colors and tastes. Those participating in any endeavor wind up learning the nomenclature. Learning that "peppermint", when applied to corn snakes, means "red and white speckled", is no different than learning that "lavender" means "tan washed with pale purple", even if the lavender plant is as green as the peppermint plant, and has a flower quite different in shade than the snake. BTW, the flower of the peppermint? Lavender colored :rofl:
 

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This is the way I see it........................

Peppermint = Red

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Spearmint = Green

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J.M.O.
Jay :cool:
 
Arguing over the color of manufactured candy as a snake trade name makes as much sense to me as debating about "blue raspberry" flavoring as a trade name for a cultivar of Bluebonnet flowers.

It's a corollary to the Frank Zappa quote regarding music critics:

"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture."

Shrug.

regards,
jazz
 
Joejr14 said:
So they can't be called 'peppermint' because one small country thinks of peppermints as blue or green cool mints? A place where a 'peppermint' corn does not even exist yet...nor will it for quite a while, I'd assume.

That makes a ton of sense.

Do a google image search for 'peppermint candy'. See what comes up. I saw no blue and/or green mints.
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i do think its upto rich what he calls them myself.
at the same time, i'm taking this comment as a joke.. it has to be.
for the size of the place the uk is awesome..
 
cornmorphs said:
i do think its upto rich what he calls them myself.
at the same time, i'm taking this comment as a joke.. it has to be.
for the size of the place the uk is awesome..
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Actually it wasn't a joke at all.

Just what does a comment about 'a small country' have to do with it being 'awesome' or not? When did I make a judgment about whether or not the UK was lame or awesome....or anything at all? I never did. All that was said was it is a small country and just because you all think of 'peppermint' as a blue/green mint, doesn't mean that a corn snake morph can't be named that.

Rich certainly has naming rights to the snakes/morphs since he was the first one who produced them. However, I believe that Carol was the first to sell them and I do believe she is the only one in the world with an Amel Cinder/Ashy/Z/C/Peppermint. Therefore, she can call the morph anything she wants---the question is whether or not it will stick.

A good example of that would be lava (transparent) granite (raider), etc etc. Many morph names have been coined that simply did not work. Mocha would be another perfect example. Rich coined the name 'mocha' and was later replaced with 'lavender' because it worked better.

Amel Z's/Cinders look like peppermints, in my opinion. I think that would be a very fitting name for them, regardless of the fact that it reminds folks in the UK of blue/green mints.
 
Can we call it strawberry cheesecake icecream, then? Oh, forgot strawberry was already taken...
 

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Tula_Montage said:
Well I will refuse point blank to acknowlegde an amel cinder as a peppermint corn... Thats merely my opinion.
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And you're entitled to it. However, if that's what it becomes known as then that's what it becomes known as. Ya know?

Personally, I don't use the term 'diffuse' nor do I use the term 'plasma' because they both suck and are stupid, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
 
TandJ said:
Well Rich, whats the price tag?

Regards.. Tim of T and J
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Sorry, but with only two of them on the playing field, I'm not planning on selling them.
 
I just can't see this as minty at all, personally, so obviously in this country the advertising and branding industry has taken a completely different slant. Even with the explanations from over the pond it just won't gel in my poor ol' brain.
Cinder does work for me, so I think I'd personally have to stick with 'hypo cinder' and 'amel cinder'. I don't think I'd feel the need to be rude to anyone calling it whatever they like, though
 
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