Idle Curiosity

[anankae]

I have 2 yearling corns. I'm not planning on breeding them but out of curiosity I was wondering what they might produce if I did.

The male is a cube stripe. He was supposed to turn bright orange but his color still is very muted (I ironically named him Ember *sigh*).

The female is a gorgeous motley sunglow het caramel (her name is Phoenix). I can post pix if you'd like to see them.

Thanks!

 

[ZoologyGirl]

motley/stripes (motley het stripe)...that are het for amel and poss het caramel

 

[anankae]

Het for sunkissed?

I have not seen a cube that looks like mine. The markings are not dots like a motley. They are squared off, little rectangles. A shame his color never developed.

 

[anankae]

Phoenix

This is the sunkissed female.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Cube can manifest itself as perfect rectangles. Where were you thinking the "cube" term came from? Also, try this. The Corn Calculator - Corn snake genetics prediction

 

[Shiari]

Cubes are called cubes for a reason, after all. *grins* So no, not het sunkissed. Your sunglow girl is very pretty.

 

[Nanci]

He looks like a pretty typical classic stripe to me...How is anyone determining he isn't het sunkissed without breeding him??

 

[Shiari]

Rather to say that as the OP didn't mention that in the genetic potential list (as he listed his sunglow mot being het caramel) and that means he probably wasn't told it from the breeder, the odds of it being het sunkissed are probably not terribly good.

I also mentioned it to say that the cubing was not an indication of being het sunkissed. If it reads wrong, I'm sorry.

 

[ComoxCorn]

He looks like a pretty typical classic stripe to me...How is anyone determining he isn't het sunkissed without breeding him??

I think that came from him mentioning the female was a sunglow and then posting the pic of her as a sunkissed female...which it is not. Breeding would be the only way to determine if there is sunkissed in either og these snakes, however, both would have to be carrying the gene.

 

[anankae]

Good lord, I shouldn't post when I'm sleepy. I meant to say het for sunGLOW not sunkissed, as my little girl is a sunGLOW. So sorry about that. (I'm a girl too, btw).

I don't know the lineage of the cube, but I'm sure the breeder does. Would you like me to ask him?

It's the cube thing that's throwing me. The corn morph calculator programs don't include an option for "cube". What do I input instead?

And Shiari, my sunglow is beautiful isn't she? Kind of a funny story how I got her, would you like to hear it?

When I said I haven't seen a cube that looks like mine, I've been searching searching the net for cube morphs and can't find any (I must be looking in the wrong places). The only cube pictures I've turned up don't have the squared off rectangles, but have blotches like motleys. So is "cube" a broader classification or are they categorizing wrong? Again, sorry for the confusion.

 

[anankae]

I should have posted this on the genetics forum, huh? Perhaps the moderator can move it.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Once again... where do you think "cube" comes from? IIRC stripe cubes are a variation of motley stripes, or just a variation on stripe.

 

[anankae]

It took a lot of digging to find "cube" mentioned as a manifestation of motley/stripe. Some sites like Ian's viv, have cube listed as a separate pattern/trait. So no, it's not inherently obvious to the uninitiated.

So now I know Ember is a motley stripe. So why didn't his colour ever develop?

 

[ArpeggioAngel]

This is my amel stripe hatchling that displays the cube variation of the pattern:

And this is my anery stripe adult male who also has the cube variation of the pattern. His is not as easy to see as his colors have blended more as he has aged, but it was extremely evident when he was a hatchling:

Slightly older photo of the same anery:

Hatchling photo:

 

[Hallie]

So now I know Ember is a motley stripe. So why didn't his colour ever develop?

Cubes are genetically stripes, not motley-stripes. As for his color...normals are incredibly variable, he's just one of the more 'dull' ones (although I don't find him 'dull' at all, he's very nice looking).

 

[anankae]

I'm also seeing why I confused sunglow with sunkissed. So my sunglow is just a brightly coloured amel?

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

WOW that anery was a beautiful hatchling.

 

[Shiari]

Sunglows are amels that are bred for high contrast color and little to no white. Being a motley helps an amel be more likely to be a sunglow because that genetic trait reduces white. My Dier is *almost* sunglow quality. She has the same bright orange ground color and red red red saddles... but she has some white to her. Enough to disqualify her.

So, for the calculator, she'd be input as amel motley, and the cube would be put in as stripe.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

I'm also seeing why I confused sunglow with sunkissed. So my sunglow is just a brightly coloured amel?

Sunglow is described as an amel that lacks all or most white, as well as black. Sunkissed are a bit of a color and a pattern. From Serpwidgets.com:

Sunkissed is usually considered a color but is also worth mentioning here. The pattern effect is one of increased ground areas and/or eroded saddles. As with most patterns, it is highly variable. In the milder specimens the saddles are more rectangular, and in the extreme specimens the saddles are reduced to ovals.

 

[ZoologyGirl]

I have 2 yearling corns. I'm not planning on breeding them but out of curiosity I was wondering what they might produce if I did.

The male is a cube stripe. He was supposed to turn bright orange but his color still is very muted (I ironically named him Ember *sigh*).

The female is a gorgeous motley sunglow het caramel (her name is Phoenix). I can post pix if you'd like to see them.

Thanks!

This is a highly confusing thread! :rofl: All this talk of cubes, motley, stripe, sunglow, sunkissed, sunblock spf 30, etc..

In summary

Male = cube stripe = genetically "stripe" (assumedly)
Female = motley sunglow het caramel = genetically "motley amel het caramel"

stripe x motley amel het caramel = stripe/motley's het amel and possibly het for caramel.

for those unfamiliar with the genetics...stripe and motley are on the same locus

++ = Wildtype
+m = het motley
+s = het stripe
mm = motley
ss = stripe
ms = motley/stripe (this is what your pair would result in)