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Just feeling cranky this morning
- Thread starter Rich Z
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Taceas
USW = UB313
Well I can't honestly say as I blame you, Rich. You've worked your hind-end off building up a business that does nothing but sell reptiles and host this site for us among other things out of the generosity of your heart. So I really have no qualms about For Sale ads only being able to be posted by Contributors.
Thanks to D80's ultimate boredom and looking up the track record of how many ads people have, whether or not they're contributors, whether or not they've been deleted...we finally have an insight into how some people really get off on using a free service. D80 pointed out a few blatant people abusing your generosity, and hopefully it'll be curbed from now on. If they want to take advantage of your site's benefits, then they can see themselves giving a fraction of what they could make to you for that opprotunity. Your site still hands, feet, back, butt down beats Kingsucks.com and their high price for their classifieds. I can't honestly see how paying $100 to sell a $50 snake is a good thing.
I don't know about the 'undercutting' going on, I'm sure I'm one of them however. Mainly because I don't have the name nor the reputation (yet) to back such prices on. I'd like to sell my Motleys for $40+, but the simple fact is no one will buy them from me whether or not they're better than yours.
My lower pricing isn't to take business away from you in anyway, and to be honest I'd never thought of it that way till today. I figured you had such a wider base of clientele and did shows, that I would just be a drop in the bucket and not cause much of a ripple. Most of my sales seem to be local anyway, so I doubt I really have that much of an effect.
I became a contributor in the first place to show my respect and to give some 'credit' due to where it belongs. You gave us this haven away from the arseholes on Kingsucks, and I respect you for that immensely.
But like I said, I hope that this measure really prevents the freeloaders from loading anymore. Vicdc is pretty bad, has he even posted a non-forsale post?There are a few others I've seen with my own eyes, selling gobs of stuff and haven't given a measly amount back to you who made it possible in the first place. It just goes to show who I really didn't like around here to begin with...the writing is on the wall in plain, blank font.
As for people selling non-cornsnakes on here, it depends on the extent that they're selling. I don't mind seeing rat snakes or other Colubrids for sale on here at all. Boas and Pythons on the other hand belong over on Fauna.
I can only say one thing, I would rather sell any non-corn hatchling I have to people on here than ANYONE over at Fauna. At Fauna I don't know them, I don't know how they take care of their animals, all I ever see is a bickering contest and flame wars. Which is quite sad, I very rarely ever go over there unless its something in particular I'm looking for, and I'm even a Contributor over there as well.
And to D80, I deleted my old ads so :nyah:
Thanks to D80's ultimate boredom and looking up the track record of how many ads people have, whether or not they're contributors, whether or not they've been deleted...we finally have an insight into how some people really get off on using a free service. D80 pointed out a few blatant people abusing your generosity, and hopefully it'll be curbed from now on. If they want to take advantage of your site's benefits, then they can see themselves giving a fraction of what they could make to you for that opprotunity. Your site still hands, feet, back, butt down beats Kingsucks.com and their high price for their classifieds. I can't honestly see how paying $100 to sell a $50 snake is a good thing.
I don't know about the 'undercutting' going on, I'm sure I'm one of them however. Mainly because I don't have the name nor the reputation (yet) to back such prices on. I'd like to sell my Motleys for $40+, but the simple fact is no one will buy them from me whether or not they're better than yours.
My lower pricing isn't to take business away from you in anyway, and to be honest I'd never thought of it that way till today. I figured you had such a wider base of clientele and did shows, that I would just be a drop in the bucket and not cause much of a ripple. Most of my sales seem to be local anyway, so I doubt I really have that much of an effect.
I became a contributor in the first place to show my respect and to give some 'credit' due to where it belongs. You gave us this haven away from the arseholes on Kingsucks, and I respect you for that immensely.
But like I said, I hope that this measure really prevents the freeloaders from loading anymore. Vicdc is pretty bad, has he even posted a non-forsale post?There are a few others I've seen with my own eyes, selling gobs of stuff and haven't given a measly amount back to you who made it possible in the first place. It just goes to show who I really didn't like around here to begin with...the writing is on the wall in plain, blank font.
As for people selling non-cornsnakes on here, it depends on the extent that they're selling. I don't mind seeing rat snakes or other Colubrids for sale on here at all. Boas and Pythons on the other hand belong over on Fauna.
I can only say one thing, I would rather sell any non-corn hatchling I have to people on here than ANYONE over at Fauna. At Fauna I don't know them, I don't know how they take care of their animals, all I ever see is a bickering contest and flame wars. Which is quite sad, I very rarely ever go over there unless its something in particular I'm looking for, and I'm even a Contributor over there as well.
And to D80, I deleted my old ads so :nyah:
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Taceas said:
Thanks for the smile Taceas!! I do know (hope) that you know that wasn't my intent! It was an eye opener though looking at some of the people posting forsale ads and their 'non existence' in other discussions!
Rich Z said:
At the risk of sounding snobbish (which I like to think I'm not), who cares?! I don't come here just for the for sale ads, that's for sure! What have those people contributed to the real reason for the site . . .? :shrugs:
D80
Taceas
USW = UB313
Its ok, I knew the meaning behind it. I just had to go and delete all my old for sale ads before I ended up on the 'Wall of Shame'. =P
I think its good you went through and pointed out who freeloads and who doesn't. Opens some eyes to see how people have abused Rich's generosity.
Like ultimatecorns, he can't afford $25 to become a contributor? But a whole 6 pairs of creams for $900! Woowoo. Gee, gonna go right out and buy one right now. And to think I bought my Motley Cream for $80..
And if they leave in a huff? So what. More power to them. Like I said earlier, it just further proves who I didn't really like in the first place. =)
I think its good you went through and pointed out who freeloads and who doesn't. Opens some eyes to see how people have abused Rich's generosity.
Like ultimatecorns, he can't afford $25 to become a contributor? But a whole 6 pairs of creams for $900! Woowoo. Gee, gonna go right out and buy one right now. And to think I bought my Motley Cream for $80..
And if they leave in a huff? So what. More power to them. Like I said earlier, it just further proves who I didn't really like in the first place. =)
Russell
New member
my little speil...
Hey Rich!
I doubt any of those who don't come cause there are no free ads, are those who had nothing to contribute as has been said, financially and informationally! Anyhow, I have used that free ad section of yours, and it helped move some animals, that, quite frankly, here in ND, I had NO way of selling! Though thankfully a herp society is forming, trying to anyhow, and I have moved a few more animals. I always thought of my small bunch of corns every year as such a drop in the bucket, but you know, there sure are a lot of us drops, and that makes... Yet I know I could never get what you do for the same morphs. I've seen ghosts advertised for way higher than what I try to sell at the Midwest every year, and at the end of the show I give them to a dealer for ten bucks a peice, which sooner or later he'll sell for regular price. I just don't have the means to compete! But that's changing, and so when I saw I could contribute, I sure did! Plus got me a personal forum, which I think is VERY nice of you! I enjoy breeding snakes just to do it, and I know that causes me to turn around and just sell to get rid of things. And that can take customers away from you. Cheaper prices do speak to people, I've had people pass up very nice animals, well started five month olds, just so they could get it cheaper...in a ten gallon tank, five inches deep of hatchling babies that might not have even eaten yet! This place enables me to TRY to get regular prices over a longer period of time, without getting it all eaten up with advertising costs like I would at kingsnake.com, and not having to totally rely on the Midwest show every year to get rid of them. And of course, that's why I had to try not to make my prices too high at the show, to move snakes fast. Anyhow, Good for you Rich to nip this in the bud now! You have every right to change this site to whatever your desire! It IS YOUR site! And I'm grateful to you for it and will gladly pay my dues every year if you enable me to continue my hobby of breeding corns by selling through my personal forum and the ads. I'll be mindful of your price list this year, cause after all, now that I will have better exposure, and be able to post individual pics of babies, I should very well get better prices for babies! Maybe I'll be all sold out before the Midwest show ever gets here thanks to your allowing me to sell here on the forums. But fact is, if the price is the same, people will buy from a known name, a person who indeed HAS the original stuff, and the best, cause you naturally only keep the best back, and sell the rest, and we get the rest, and do our darnest to breed up to the standard people see in your animals. Anyhow, there's my little spiel! Thanks again Rich! I REALLY appreciate the work you do, in breeding, and having this forum up for us corn lovers to share information, pictures, and animals. But I have to say, it's one thing to say you have a Candy Cane corn...but it adds to it when you say it came from Rich, or Kathy, or Don...
Russell Keys
Keys Reptiles
Hey Rich!
I doubt any of those who don't come cause there are no free ads, are those who had nothing to contribute as has been said, financially and informationally! Anyhow, I have used that free ad section of yours, and it helped move some animals, that, quite frankly, here in ND, I had NO way of selling! Though thankfully a herp society is forming, trying to anyhow, and I have moved a few more animals. I always thought of my small bunch of corns every year as such a drop in the bucket, but you know, there sure are a lot of us drops, and that makes... Yet I know I could never get what you do for the same morphs. I've seen ghosts advertised for way higher than what I try to sell at the Midwest every year, and at the end of the show I give them to a dealer for ten bucks a peice, which sooner or later he'll sell for regular price. I just don't have the means to compete! But that's changing, and so when I saw I could contribute, I sure did! Plus got me a personal forum, which I think is VERY nice of you! I enjoy breeding snakes just to do it, and I know that causes me to turn around and just sell to get rid of things. And that can take customers away from you. Cheaper prices do speak to people, I've had people pass up very nice animals, well started five month olds, just so they could get it cheaper...in a ten gallon tank, five inches deep of hatchling babies that might not have even eaten yet! This place enables me to TRY to get regular prices over a longer period of time, without getting it all eaten up with advertising costs like I would at kingsnake.com, and not having to totally rely on the Midwest show every year to get rid of them. And of course, that's why I had to try not to make my prices too high at the show, to move snakes fast. Anyhow, Good for you Rich to nip this in the bud now! You have every right to change this site to whatever your desire! It IS YOUR site! And I'm grateful to you for it and will gladly pay my dues every year if you enable me to continue my hobby of breeding corns by selling through my personal forum and the ads. I'll be mindful of your price list this year, cause after all, now that I will have better exposure, and be able to post individual pics of babies, I should very well get better prices for babies! Maybe I'll be all sold out before the Midwest show ever gets here thanks to your allowing me to sell here on the forums. But fact is, if the price is the same, people will buy from a known name, a person who indeed HAS the original stuff, and the best, cause you naturally only keep the best back, and sell the rest, and we get the rest, and do our darnest to breed up to the standard people see in your animals. Anyhow, there's my little spiel! Thanks again Rich! I REALLY appreciate the work you do, in breeding, and having this forum up for us corn lovers to share information, pictures, and animals. But I have to say, it's one thing to say you have a Candy Cane corn...but it adds to it when you say it came from Rich, or Kathy, or Don...
Russell Keys
Keys Reptiles
Gronk
1.1 Beautiful kids....
New twist ?
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21821
Daniel and Joe were all over it.... :grin01:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21821
Daniel and Joe were all over it.... :grin01:
Taceas said:I can't see it...says I don't have permission. Guess that means it was already removed? Figures, I'll be late to my own funeral.
Well of course I removed the thread. And I did send a warning via email to the person who did that letting them know that it was not appreciated and may result in them getting banned from this site if they continue to do it.
I guess I look at it as two possibilities when someone does this
- It was kind of unintentional because they couldn't figure out why they couldn't post their ad in the For Sale section.
- It WAS intentional and basically thumbing their nose at my new policy.
Figuring out which is which may not be obvious.
Taceas
USW = UB313
The whole 'Contributor Only' being able to post For Sale ads may end up backfiring on a certain degree...especially if someone is desperate enough to post on other sections and their posts be up for an hour or so before it's discovered and removed.
Personally I think the sticky at the top of the For Sale section should be more attention getting. Sadly enough, I didn't notice the change in policy till I saw Mike Panichi's post asking why he couldn't post ads anymore.
But I agree...f they tried to post a For Sale and couldn't...common sense would dictate they would read around and see if they're the only one. So unless they're a newer member...I would almost lean with intentional.
Mind sharing who it was, so I can keep an eye out? Hopefully no one else has the same dim idea.
Personally I think the sticky at the top of the For Sale section should be more attention getting. Sadly enough, I didn't notice the change in policy till I saw Mike Panichi's post asking why he couldn't post ads anymore.
But I agree...f they tried to post a For Sale and couldn't...common sense would dictate they would read around and see if they're the only one. So unless they're a newer member...I would almost lean with intentional.
Mind sharing who it was, so I can keep an eye out? Hopefully no one else has the same dim idea.
Gronk
1.1 Beautiful kids....
Misty...
It was franklin.
Btw...despite the "evil grin" emoticon I used, I didn't find his thread funny.
It bothers me that people will "end run" whatever and whenever they can.
If it was someone new to the site doing it, that's one thing. I guess some people are going to try to push Rich's buttons or just don't care :shrugs:
Still boggles my mind that people that regularly use this forum and house, heat and feed snakes...can't contribute. Hell if you're keeping even a modest collection of corns, it cost's more than $25 to a month to take care of them.
I'm not trying to take any type of moral highground..stuff like this just irritates me.
It was franklin.
Btw...despite the "evil grin" emoticon I used, I didn't find his thread funny.
It bothers me that people will "end run" whatever and whenever they can.
If it was someone new to the site doing it, that's one thing. I guess some people are going to try to push Rich's buttons or just don't care :shrugs:
Still boggles my mind that people that regularly use this forum and house, heat and feed snakes...can't contribute. Hell if you're keeping even a modest collection of corns, it cost's more than $25 to a month to take care of them.
I'm not trying to take any type of moral highground..stuff like this just irritates me.
Gronk said:
Yeah, I feel the same way.
I noticed at least one other very subtle sale ad in the Photo Gallery too.
And I like DAND's idea with the avatar, just needs something like "I DON'T PAY FOR MY SALE ADS" written on it. It's akin to the "I'M A BANDWIDTH THIEF" pictures some people use.
Taceas
USW = UB313
Gronk said:
Well now I agree with you to an extent, but if everyone 'donated' it'd be a pay-to-use site, wouldn't it? I just think you're getting a little over-zealous with this, personally.
Some people who use this site A LOT could definitely afford a piddly $25 for the For Sale section for sure with as many high-end morphs that they *used* to sell on here. I could name a few names, but I'm not going to because most of us already know who the culprits are.
But most members unless they feel truly honored to be here, be a member, and want to give back after a while don't NEED to donate. It would be nice if they did, but it isn't required.
If they only have a couple of snakes and just enjoy the hobby, its fine that they come and visit and interact and banter and share...I encourage everyone to do just that. But I don't think we should be pressuring people to donate. When the guilt of using this service as a launch pad gets to them, maybe they'll do the kind thing and help keep this great place up and running. But if they don't, well then they have the cheapskate stigma hanging over their heads.
As for Franklin, I have NEVER seen him post anything really. So what value is he? Who's to say?
I didn't see the "ad" that he posted in whatever section and I've never seen one ad from him on the For Sale section to be honest. He just appears to be a fly-by-night kind of guy. Perhaps he's more active over on Fauna, I dunno. I think its best to leave it to Rich to determine someone's worth and whether or not they belong here ultimately. We each have our reasons for not liking other people on here, even me. If he needs input on someone's involvement on here in making that decision, then by all means he may ask and get a few replies that hopefully help to make that decision in the end.
:shrugs: