LEAST Favourite Morph

[Serpwidgets]

Ya, more aggressive/defensive, plus a vigorous feeding response. Seems like a lot of them have "rounded" saddles, too. I can't wait to recover some from hets and see if any of these side-effects might follow. I have to say it's a relief to cross a morph into something and expect to get hatchlings that LOVE to eat.

 

[Rich Z]

Since this thread IS about corn snakes, and seems to be mostly relevant to the genetic cultivars, I am moving it into the proper forum where I believe it should be located.

 

[wikkedkornman]

anery ( A & B ). ugly as sin in my opinion. not crazy over ghosts either.

 

[hediki]

im dont facy amel too much

 

[wikkedkornman]

im dont facy amel too much

didn't you say normals were your least favorite a few posts back?

 

[hediki]

didn't you say normals were your least favorite a few posts back?

yea i did, and now i said i dont fancy them too much, meaning there not my least fav but i dont like them that much.

 

[carol]

My take on the hybrid possibility is that what are the odds that a gray rat snake (which are really not all that commonly bred in captivity) just happened to have carried this "ultra" gene in that one individual bred into corn snakes, instead of the possibility that it came from corn snake lines (which have been bred immeasurably more times, increasing the odds of a gene like this popping out? Yeah, I know anything is possible, but what is rationally realistic about the odds?

I don't think the chances are that different, and definatley not out of the "possible" range. Isn't there an amel in kingsnakes that is compatable with corns? Also genetic mutations have popped up even in snakes that arn't as widely kept. Just because one is MORE possible doesn't close the deal.
Again, I am still not sure if all Ultras are Hybrids or if some Hybrids were made with Ultras. I do know people have been mixing Corns with Grey Rats for at least 10 years, and I am sure longer, but that is only as far as I go back myself. (In the snake world anyway). I have 2 Grey Rat X Corn Hybrids, I see many posts of "frosted" corns that have been inbred for sometime as well I'm sure. What's even more interesting is that one of my Hybrids almost looks like it could carry the Amber gene. Pics of these known Hybrids below, both full siblings.

I don't own any Sunkissed, but I have seen them in person. The only thing that looks different to me is their heads. Their color and saddle count look like what I would find in a corn, and throw in the fact that they are "line bred" animals, they make sense to me. Same with Milksnake Phase, their heads can be a little short, thier saddle count is off,but the colors are true and we all understand that these are all line bred traits as well.

On mine, everything is off, color, saddle size and number, head, and even behavior. Others agreed, check out these poll results and note I did leave "none of the above" as choice.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17882&highlight=hybrid

Again, I don't know if they are all hybrids but I think at the very least, some are. These have a high possibility of being mixed in as pure stock by people who don't know better or don't care. And just in case anyone gets the wrong idea, I am definately NOT implying anyone, its just something that's waiting to happen. Especially if no one talks about the possibility.

 

[peep_827]

Hybrid or not . . .

Carol, those are some pretty snakes!

This is turning into a pet peeve of mine also. I think the hybrids are pretty cool but I've already had 2 local pet stores tell me that they were not aware creamsicles are hybrids. As a newbie to corns, if I didn't have you all to set me straight, I could easily have got Monty a creamsicle girlfriend, bred hybrids, sold them and have been none the wiser.

I don't think there's really anything wrong with hybrids, but I think that anyone (including pet stores) should be upfront about it. If I wanted to breed creamsicles I'd just get 2 and go with it but I'd tell people what they were getting, so hopefully they wouldn't breed/sell theirs as pure.

To me, the thing is that if enough ignorant people breed hybrids and corns together and sell them eventually you would see a decline in CB corns that are REALLY corns. I'd hate to see that lost.

 

[So Pirate55]

I'm gonna have to go against popular grain here and say Hypo Lav and Lavenders. I'll admit that they are much prettier in person than in photos, but i still dont like them all that much. I dont like pastel motleys whatsoever, in person or photos.

Miamis and okeetees are among my favs...next would come the lavas, aneries, of course ice would fall inthere too. I'm thinking about investing in a pair of sunkissed b/c of that bright orange color, even if they have firery little attitudes.

 

[E. g. guttata]

Geesh, look at all the caramel haters in the crowd!!

I very much dont see an appeal for blizzards, opals, milksnake-phase, banded, candy-cane, and bubblegum snows.

I guess you could add me to the "caramel-hating" crowd. I don't really care for any morph using the caramel gene. I also don't care for the pattern morphs. Of course, the one exception to both of those criteria are the butter mots. They have an odd pull to me. I like the idea of an aztec ghost though. An I also happen to like the pewters a lot too, just not any other diffused trait. I'd also have to say that I don't care for opals, calico, or any amel with the beautiful reds and oranges that also lack white. If I'm going to have an amel (not including those that are also homo for other traits like anery, charcoal, caramel) then it NEEDS to be red, orange AND, white. The lack of white just totally turns me off. As Don has told me many-a-time, he and I are some of the few that can't have anything better than a reverse okeetee with the wide white borders. I'm still kicking myself for selling the little girl I had last year. I'll have to find a pic of her for you guys.

 

[Joejr14]

We have ALL seen the picture, Egg.

 

[Sisuitl]

Well, any patterning that is really angular, like aztec and cubed, looks hideous on corns. It just doesn't fit. Also, any animal without fur that has splotches of white, be it a fish, frog, or snake, looks diseased. I really don't like calicos.

I used to be very unimpressed by snows until I decided to add one to my order when getting some snakes from Rich (I figured since I was paying for the shipping I might as well get an extra snake). Anyway, she's incredibly beautiful and has restored my faith in snows with her vivid pinks and corals. Thanks Rich!

 

[exoticpetz]

I really don`t like a poor example of any morph and find that to be my only criteria when it comes to acquiring a particular morph. I`m especially fond of contrast. No morph IMHO beats an EXCEPTIONAL Miami. And a full unbroken stripe is a pretty change of pace.

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

I know this is late

I know this is late on this thread but I thought I would go ahead and add my 2 cents.

First let me say, from pictures only I never cared for Anery A's. They just looked too much like black rats, grey rats or black/grey intergrades to me. Then I saw one in person and ended up purchasing one. The subtleties do not show up in photos but do in person. I have several now including a couple I produced. But, they do need to have a certain look.
But, I do not like stripe anerys....something missing, there.

Nothing, from name to snake, is appealing to me about the typical bloodred.
I had a couple and from everything I saw on the forums, they were a nice pair, but I just didn't like them. Traded them for .....BUTTERS ha ha ...like those yellows

Don't care for blizzards. Just too white.

Haven't seen them in person but charcoals, pewters and anery bloodreds don't do anything for me, either.

Only seen in photos but until I see them in person, to change my mind, I do not like lavenders.

I guess that is it for now.

 

[arandani]

Well, I think I'm on the same page as everyone else..I think...

Once upon a time I swore up and down that I didn't like anything except for Miamis-- the ones with crisp white-ish grey backgrounds and red saddles only of course-- then I stumbled upon Bromis. I went all ga-ga-goo-goo over a snow corn! I hate snakes with red-eyes, now I have one! And can't wait to start finding more 'flavors of corns.'

However, I am very stuck on dispiseing amels, carmels, butters, and the like.. Yellow makes me sick. As for Opals, I agree..they are bruised and over priced, Hypolavs I like, but have rarely found an adult Lav that was worth looking at. Anerys... depends on how much black they maintain as adults, and if they get those 'ghost-like' saddles which I despise. As for green snows, hmmm.... Blizzards I like, I once saw one with blues eyes that made me drool :grin01: