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My right to bear arms is under fire right now.

Well said Kathy!

I love all those quotes Tsst. This is why we are friends!

I have a pocket constitution in my night stand next to my bed. I hold those rights with high regard. I teach them to my children. I also teach them history and why it is so important to learn it and know it. So maybe their generation wont repeat it~!
 
I love our veterans; I vote for them all the time, they defend us,” Mr. Schumer said. “But if you are mentally ill, whether you’re a veteran or not, just like if you’re a felon, if you’re a veteran or not, and you have been judged to be mentally infirm, you should not have a gun.”

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“There is due process,” Mr. Malte said. “Gun possession is allowed if competency is restored. It’s up to the professionals to make that determination.”



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What I think we have to remember is the VA does have doctors and psychologists helping to guide those decisions on whether someone is fit to carry a gun. If someone is found fit later, their ability to carry a firearm will be restored. At least that is how I read it. I've known many soldiers where the Army has deemed that soldier no longer fit to carry a weapon and I've seen others I personally did not see fit to carry a gun allowed to carry a gun. I remember one instance where a service member was seeing blood drip off the wall and he heard voices telling him to kill others in his platoon, but he stated he would not act on those voices... yet he still does not know if it was the voices or something else that made him cut off his trigger finger. This man was told in my presence that he would have to go back out for yet another tour.... after dropping his retirement package. I couldn't believe it. And yet, I've seen others with way less going on or so it would seem deemed unfit to carry a weapon. Personally, I would rather err on the side of caution, but it is a slippery slope. I will grant you that.
 
Point of the matter, IMHO, is that the federal government has no constitutionally LEGAL jurisdiction over what I do concerning a firearm as long as I am not engaging in interstate commerce with it.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
I love our veterans; I vote for them all the time, they defend us,” Mr. Schumer said. “But if you are mentally ill, whether you’re a veteran or not, just like if you’re a felon, if you’re a veteran or not, and you have been judged to be mentally infirm, you should not have a gun.”
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At what point does PTSD become an mental infirmaty? Who decides?
 
Even though I do think mental health care reform is one of the biggest things that should be addressed for reducing gun violence, (or any violence) the idea of underpaid, undertrained and overworked people being the ones to determine who can and can't have a weapon, doesn't fill me with confidence ...
 
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beautifullywild77 said:
exactly.. or even the VA.
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Tavia said:
Even though I do think mental health care reform is one of the biggest things that should be addressed for reducing gun violence, (or any violence) the idea of underpaid, undertrained and overworked people being the ones to determine who can and can't have a weapon, doesn't feel me with confidence ...
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IMHO it should be multiple sources in the medical field to include a source chosen by the individual being evaluated. The decision to take someone's rights should be very involved and unanimous including the individuals chosen doctor agreeing. It should also not be a permanent thing but reevaluated regularly.
 
tsst said:
IMHO it should be multiple sources in the medical field to include a source chosen by the individual being evaluated. The decision to take someone's rights should be very involved and unanimous including the individuals chosen doctor agreeing. It should also not be a permanent thing but reevaluated regularly.
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This, this, 100 times this.
 
tsst said:
IMHO it should be multiple sources in the medical field to include a source chosen by the individual being evaluated. The decision to take someone's rights should be very involved and unanimous including the individuals chosen doctor agreeing. It should also not be a permanent thing but reevaluated regularly.
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Have you considered running for public office? you have my vote!
Although, I think you have far too much sense to be an elected official.
 
Tsst, I know many veterans who get 100% after many years of fighting and then receive a letter stating that the VA is going to evaluate them for competency. So they now have to fight for their rights to handle their own money and meds. (The same VA that would rather drug a veteran handing out meds like candy)

I agree with you that they should be able to choose their own doctor or therapist to help evaluate them along with other professionals. It should also be an individual decision or a case by case thing. You shouldn't judge one person by how another one handles mental health issues.

If the fat cats in Washington had their way they would take away my guns because I am medicated for depression and anxiety with a diagnoses that includes both along with PTSD. I am not violent nor have I ever been arrested because of violence. They would simple take it away on my diagnoses on paper only.

Tavia, I agree, the mental healthcare in this nation needs to be reformed or striped down and started over. Look up John Hyde in Albuquerque and it will show you how mental health fails its patients. Or look up the murder of Chris Kyle. These two cases had nothing to do with gun violence but everything to do with mental health professionals not doing their jobs~! The people that are prone to violence will find a way to commit it with or without a gun. Look at Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer.
 
James673 said:
Have you considered running for public office? you have my vote!
Although, I think you have far too much sense to be an elected official.
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I fear I would not make a good politician.

I have little in common with most political DC values. I think the constitution and the bill of rights have guided the people to build this country into one of if not thee greatest the world has had. I, as did our forefathers, believe that liberty should not be given away so freely. I don't care for loose interpretations that grow gov and give control over the people by politicians. I value hard work and shared responsibility in society. I believe in giving those in need a hand up but lack the tolerance in providing a life long free ride to those able to contribute but choose not to. I don't think taking from one portion of society to give to another should be taken so lightly. And as this thread discusses, I don't believe politicians should alter the rights of the people.

I could go on for pages but in the end the result would be the same. I would epically fail at being a "present day" politician.

Edit: oh and I also don't think there should be a political class in society. The rules and laws passed in DC should also apply to those that pass them. I.E. participation in social security, Obamacare, SEC rules, etc, etc, etc.
 
Tavia said:
Even though I do think mental health care reform is one of the biggest things that should be addressed for reducing gun violence, (or any violence) the idea of underpaid, undertrained and overworked people being the ones to determine who can and can't have a weapon, doesn't fill me with confidence ...
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Just had an additional point that didn't come across in the above.
Mental health is only really effective in cases such as most mass shootings, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook and the like. As such, it's important but it will have no real effect on criminals who use guns in their crimes, as most of them are perfectly rational, just amoral "business" people who's source of income is illegal.

That letter was good, thanks for posting, tsst!
 
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