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Purist Breeders

airenlow said:
Unknown could be pure also. Fact...not my personal opinion.
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Very good point and I agree 100% with you. Your unknowns could be pure.

They could be 99.8% pure. My point is those with unknowns may never know and that is why I would rather have a 99.8% known pure species with a .2% known other species.
 
I would much rather have that snake with proven lineage that was 98% pure proven lineage than a snake with 10% unknown lineage.... as there is a much bigger gamble with 10%.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
As for Dave being hurt that I don't list each and every source for pictures I acquire on the web. I do not take credit for anything. I applaud anyone who posts on such a picture they can find that they have seen one of their snakes or adds information to it. I am in the research phase as I have stated repeatedly. I am learning where I want to go and what I want to try by studying hybrids others have created, pure snakes I have seen some post, and even the breeders themselves. Those that are crass, I could care less about acquiring their snakes from them directly as I would not like to fatten them up or add to their ego. But that is me, I would rather recreate the wheel in an instance like that. Dave, I challenge you to show one snake that I have posted and said was my own that is in fact mine. You can not do it. Any snake I have posted that I have said is my own is my own. I'm tired of the attacks.
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Carpe, some folks asked to see pics of your snakes. Shortly thereafter you posted pictures of snakes. Trye, you did not state they were yours. You also did not state what they were, whose they were, nor did you state they were not yours. This isn't facebook where you're expected to post pictures of other peoples stuff and get the credit for it. Whatever, I'm over it.
As for your use of the term "purist" and labeling others with that term, I have only found one person on here who calls himself a purist recently, this guy , who, like you, goes on about how all cornsnakes in everyone's possession globally, except his own of course, are all hybrids,
and even goes so far as to say that anyone with ultra or tessera in their stock is a basement breeder, and yet, ironically I got my first ultras from him, and he has tess in his stock. so I'm a bit confused. Whatever. Going back to option 52.
 
dave partington said:
Carpe, some folks asked to see pics of your snakes. Shortly thereafter you posted pictures of snakes. Trye, you did not state they were yours. You also did not state what they were, whose they were, nor did you state they were not yours. This isn't facebook where you're expected to post pictures of other peoples stuff and get the credit for it. Whatever, I'm over it.
As for your use of the term "purist" and labeling others with that term, I have only found one person on here who calls himself a purist recently, this guy , who, like you, goes on about how all cornsnakes in everyone's possession globally, except his own of course, are all hybrids,
and even goes so far as to say that anyone with ultra or tessera in their stock is a basement breeder, and yet, ironically I got my first ultras from him, and he has tess in his stock. so I'm a bit confused. Whatever. Going back to option 52.
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If your going to make an accusation, at least be so kind as to post a link to this so I can see it in context.

You might also take into consideration, I've freely posted my "collection" so any attempt to deceive would be pure folly and stupidity to say the least on my part. It just doesn't make logical sense to post ones corn snake collection of one snake. Whatever you personally feel Dave P., there was no intent to deceive nor could there be any intent to deceive when I posted my corn snake collection this should have been clear. If it was not clear however, when you questioned me in private and I responded again, that it was not my snake... this should have cleared things up for you. Again, if this still did not make things clear, you could have easily asked for clarification and explained your feelings and trust me, I would have respected that. However, jumping to conclusions is also human... its how we deal with those assumptions that separates us as I would have tried to work things out and figure out to the best of my ability whether there truly was an attempt to deceive or merely a misunderstanding. I think if you look at the date of my corn snake collection and the date of my hybrid album, you will see that my hybrid album is much older than my corn snake collection that I posted above. Which would leave one to assume that perhaps there was an attempt to deceive as no credit was given.... if only those allegations were made before I posted my corn snake... then I would agree with your false assumptions as being a possibility. However, as this is not the case your assumptions are without any warrant.

As for my personal views on purity or hybrids, I've frequently stated I don't believe in purity in any real sense. I believe all animals are in a transient state... evolving, changing, interbreeding, going extinct, etc. So, while I do not believe in absolute purity, I can respect what purity is meant by those breeders who seek to maintain it and I can honestly respect that. I simply refuse to blame hybridizers for doing damage to pure species as I see breeders who breed for morphs as effecting snakes in a way that would not happen in nature the same as I see hybrids that are created.
 
I will be the first to confess, I'm not above deception as I would keep hybrids and even "pure" snakes that I intend to breed with secret as I would not want others to beat me to the punch. Make no mistake however, I would never take credit for someone else's work. I never have and I never will. Not letting someone know what you have or what you intend to work towards is an acceptable deception in that it does not hurt anyone, does not take credit for another persons work, etc. It merely keeps your project covert and undercover so to speak. We all have our own opinions on what is okay and what is not. What is an acceptable amount of unknowns to allow into our breeding program and what is not. As we grow and learn, perhaps this list narrows or expands.

I've been known to eat raw meat before as well FryeFocks, so I can definitely relate. I've eaten raw deer meat while it was still steaming fresh from the kill. It takes all kinds to make this world the place we have come to love and I would not want a world where everyone agreed with me or did the same as me. I think it would make for a very boring place indeed.
 
Okay, I'm over it. Moving on... steak tartar is delicious, especially if its a coddled petted real grass fed cowcowmoomoo and a real farm egg yolk. One day we'll kick back a few Mickey's Bigmouths and talk about other people.

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dave partington said:
Okay, I'm over it. Moving on... steak tartar is delicious, especially if its a coddled petted real grass fed cowcowmoomoo and a real farm egg yolk. One day we'll kick back a few Mickey's Bigmouths and talk about other people.

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Now that is cute :cheers:
http://www.brugmansia.us/cultivars/herald/volume5issue1.html

You can find my name on that issue and that page and a few others over the years. I do like to hybridize and I will always have my opinions as we all will. I'd love to sit back and drink a few with you Dave and I honestly think if we could talk in person you might feel differently. Then again, you might not. But it I do respect what I have seen of your work.
 
dave partington said:
Okay, I'm over it. Moving on... steak tartar is delicious, especially if its a coddled petted real grass fed cowcowmoomoo and a real farm egg yolk. One day we'll kick back a few Mickey's Bigmouths and talk about other people.

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Dave,

I see you've been to the strip joints here in ohio!!
 
I tend not to go to strip joints so couldn't tell you if she's danced down here or not.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
Now that is cute :cheers:
http://www.brugmansia.us/cultivars/herald/volume5issue1.html

You can find my name on that issue and that page and a few others over the years. I do like to hybridize and I will always have my opinions as we all will. I'd love to sit back and drink a few with you Dave and I honestly think if we could talk in person you might feel differently. Then again, you might not. But it I do respect what I have seen of your work.
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Oh! It all makes sense now. The plant world is very different from the world of corn snakes. With many plants maintaining purity is mindlessly easy since you can simply cross it with itself and get pure stock. If only it was so easy with snakes. There isn't anywhere near the angst with maintaining purity and hybrids. Hybridization in many crops was dealt with a century ago. Maybe one day there will be a magic fairy dust you can sprinkle on your snake and it will produce perfect genetic clones, even if it is male. The poor snake would be so confused.
 
Glad I'm not alone in my raw meat lovings. I think it's good for you, although I've nothing to back that up with.
 
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