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Releasing hatchlings...

It is illegal in most states to release captive bred animals, or even long term wild caught animals. Domestic bred animals can often carry disease that is unknown to their wild counterparts and you could end up destroying an entire population that way. I also hesitate to breed just to sell to a pet store. The ones near me shouldn't even have snakes, they do such a crappy job of keeping them. I certainly would never turn my beautiful healthy animals over to them to sell. I did sell part of one clutch to my local petstore last year due to our impending move, but it was a store I did business with regularly and they took good care of their reptiles. They also at least seperated the snakes by sex since I had already done that for them and the ones with the nicest markings were housed seperately where there was room in order to show them better. They also paid me what I asked for them which was alot more than $7.50 a snake.
 
Tradernick, IMO you should not even be thinking of breeding at this point. There is no shame in being a newbie, I am myself. However, I think a newbie attempting breeding is biting off way more than you can chew. I was just talking to you about the basics of heating not long ago, then within days you posted a question about how to brumate. Don't you think you need to slow down, take a deep breath, and master husbandry before attempting all these other things? Just enjoy snake keeping for now, grow and learn (as I am doing also). I think you may be getting in over your head. For your snakes sake, master the basics first.
I'm not trying to be rude at all, just trying to be realistic. :sidestep:
 
sandybunny said:
Tradernick, IMO you should not even be thinking of breeding at this point. There is no shame in being a newbie, I am myself. However, I think a newbie attempting breeding is biting off way more than you can chew. I was just talking to you about the basics of heating not long ago, then within days you posted a question about how to brumate. Don't you think you need to slow down, take a deep breath, and master husbandry before attempting all these other things? Just enjoy snake keeping for now, grow and learn (as I am doing also). I think you may be getting in over your head. For your snakes sake, master the basics first.
I'm not trying to be rude at all, just trying to be realistic. :sidestep:
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I don't think there would be a problem asking about burmating when you are a newbie, I did the same. You hear all these things and want to learn everything, it is a healthy process of learning. Breeding is another story.

Over all sandybunny, has a very good point, you don't need to rush things, snakes will still be around a few years from now, learn what you can, all you can, but be ready before proceeding.
 
suecornish said:
Or, if you do breed and can't get rid of the babies and don't want to be overwhelmed with diapers, I guess you can get a king snake and feed the hatchlings to it. :sidestep:

I AM JUST JOKING . . . . (I can see TYFlyer just gearing up to lambaste me.)
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You may be joking but it is at least humane. First you shouldn't breed as you said unless you have some buyers planned out.
I guess $7.50 isn't bad price for hatchlings as long as you fed them their first meals, I think it was Dean who said he got $11.00 a piece. If some people get more good for them.
I realize you are a newbie, but may ask how old this snake is you want to brumate and possibly breed? susang
 
hartsock said:
I don't think there would be a problem asking about burmating when you are a newbie, I did the same. You hear all these things and want to learn everything, it is a healthy process of learning. Breeding is another story.

Over all sandybunny, has a very good point, you don't need to rush things, snakes will still be around a few years from now, learn what you can, all you can, but be ready before proceeding.
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I'm not saying it's wrong to ask questions, I'm just making a point. As a newbie myself, I wouldn't even be attempting to brumate because I don't know enough to make it safe for my snake. Just like a baby, you first learn to crawl, then walk, then run. Snake keeping is definitely a process, and can become complicated. I just don't want Nick to try to do too much, too soon. I'm not against questions though. :)
 
I have no plans, nor did I ever have plans to breed. I am new to the hobby and simply thought it would be a good experience to do it someday. I didn't intend to sound as if it was impending.
Just for the record, regarding brumation...I assumed that with cooler weather approaching I'd need to do SOMETHING different with my Corn. If that's not the case, I'll continue to feed him and enjoy him as I have so far.
 
You don't need to brumate a snake you have no breeding plans for. Brumation puts snakes in prime condition for breeding, but there are risks associated with brumation, so it's not just a simple way to save a few bucks on mice during the year.

Mine exhibit no behavioral changes during the winter. It's spring when all the males go crazy...

Nanci
 
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tradernick said:
I have no plans, nor did I ever have plans to breed. I am new to the hobby and simply thought it would be a good experience to do it someday. I didn't intend to sound as if it was impending.
Just for the record, regarding brumation...I assumed that with cooler weather approaching I'd need to do SOMETHING different with my Corn. If that's not the case, I'll continue to feed him and enjoy him as I have so far.
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That's OK. It did sound like something impending. That's how your post came across to me. As for the brumation thing, I think that's something you do intentionally to your snake. From what I've seen, it only applies to mature adults that are intended to be bred. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. :)
 
I still consider myself a newbie and I ask questions all the time; brumation, incubation, care of new hatchlings. My corns won't be ready to breed for at least another two-three years but I want to learn all I can. There is an overwhelming amount of information out "there" and some of it is contradicatary. The more info you receive, the longer you're around snakes and talk with people, the better you are to filter through the rubbish.

Sometimes people have a "knee-jerk" reaction to some questions (just ask about co-habitation and step back). Thanks to Nanci I'll try breeding without brumation just to see what type of clutch I get - if it is sufficient for what my needs are I will not put my snakes in brumation because of the possible harm. Everything is a learning process. Keep asking questions, ignore the flames, retain what is best for your snakes and just keep enjoying them.
 
I'm amazed by the stuff petstore employees, or "herp experts," tell people. Just a few days ago there was someone here who had been told it was ok to keep snakes together as long as they were of the opposite sex!

Now this-

Well, I'm going through the whole learning process with my bearded dragon- you don't know who to believe, what is BS- it's really hard to figure things out.

Nanci
 
Well, I suppose, like the cornsnakes, the place to go would be the breeder or a specific forum for beardies.
 
Nanci said:
I'm amazed by the stuff petstore employees, or "herp experts," tell people. Just a few days ago there was someone here who had been told it was ok to keep snakes together as long as they were of the opposite sex!

Now this-

Well, I'm going through the whole learning process with my bearded dragon- you don't know who to believe, what is BS- it's really hard to figure things out.

Nanci
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you are right nanci, I just posted a thread about this on a different site stating how much bad info there is out there. And how people at petstores and other owners will swear by what they say like it is the gospel truth, yet it is all a bunch of crap, you need to check multiple sources and be certain of what you are being told. It is hard to figure things out alot of the time.
 
The very best place to get information on keeping any species is to go to a place like this. Where better to learn about something than a place where hundreds of people have a love and a passion for the very thing you are trying to learn about?
 
One of the problems with forums and the internet in general is that only a small portion of the entire communications 'package' is transmitted. MUCH of communication is conveyed through intonation, inflection, facial expression, etc. To overcome this limitation, as the question asker, we ought to provide more background or preamble to the question, so people reading it have a better idea of what you're really asking. Nothing wrong at all about asking questions to fill in empty spaces of knowledge. I do it ALL the time on here. As the question answerer, we also need to be less quick to jump to conclusions and launch into 'attack mode' before finding out the real intention behind the question. We've seen that happen on these forums here lately, too.

I had to reread Kathy's book twice before figuring out that one only needs to brumate when breeding is planned for the next spring. And it seems, even that isn't totally necessary, but is highly recommended and is beneficial for increasing chances of success. I think. Again, I'll be gathering more information and trying to learn more as I go.
 
Main problem especialy with pet stores is the staff have huge ego's and do not like to admit when they are wrong. Same applies to other people who have been breading for years because they have a system that works, however there is more than one way of doing things that will work.
 
:-offtopic Speaking of dumb pet store workers, I was at Petco with my daughter and they had some baby ball pythons that looked to be about 18 or so inches long. My daughter wanted to hold one, so the man came over and let her hold one. He said, "Ya know, these snakes won't get any longer than this. There are two different kinds of ball pythons. These are the small ones." I didn't argue with him but I couldn't believe he said that. :eek1:
 
Ha lol sounds like when i got my python... The pet store guy insisted that the royal python will grow to 30 feetso i shouldent buy it... lol i got it anyway knowing they only grow to 4 foot
 
It is amazing about pet store employees. When I went to buy Monty this weekend, the first woman said that she wouldn't hold it, she don't like snakes and she an't touching it. we went to the manager to get the key to the room where they are kept and she physically shivered and said the same thing. as i got monty out of his tank, which was not clean, the manager kept shivering as if she was seeing something horrible. I thought, "how are they going to sell snakes if no one wants to touch them." Both pythons were kept just like the corns and both pythons had splochy sheds.

And books don't really help. I bought a book on pythons and all it said about the humidity was that it had to be high but did not give a number and it also stated to have a basking spot of 95 deg. Another site had the overall tank humidity at 60 and a hide humidity at 70-80. But my question was if this is a snake that goes into burrows to eat, sleeps in those burrows until hungry again and then goes looking for food in other burrows and briefly goes outside of burrows only to get to another burrow, then why does it need a basking spot. My logic says to get a clay pot and saucer wet, make a hide out of it and kill the basking light but keep the UTH so the temps are in the high 80s and the clay pot and saucer damp for high humidity. That will approximate a python living in humid burrows.

So, you have to use common sense along with what you read and hear.
 
How did this topic turn from releasing captive bred corn hatchlings to stupid pet store employees...again...?? :shrugs:

Suecornish-
Don't expect a general care book for pythons to be specific to sub-species. There are too many with too many different requirements to give specifics. The care requirements for a green tree python, ball python, reticulated python, and Woma python are all so incredibly different from each other that a book simply titled "Pythons" would have a tremendous amount of info to be "comprehensive". Go with sub-species specific titles...
 
tyflier said:
How did this topic turn from releasing captive bred corn hatchlings to stupid pet store employees...again...?? :shrugs:

Suecornish-
Don't expect a general care book for pythons to be specific to sub-species. There are too many with too many different requirements to give specifics. The care requirements for a green tree python, ball python, reticulated python, and Woma python are all so incredibly different from each other that a book simply titled "Pythons" would have a tremendous amount of info to be "comprehensive". Go with sub-species specific titles...
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This was a sub-species specific book but when I looked at the copywrite date it was from the late 1980s. So, for now on I know to look for more current publications. I knew to get a sub-species book because the last one I got for my Bolivians only had two paragraphs on Bolivians which are BCA and the rest of the book was on BCC.

This shows has easy we all can get sidetracked. :shrugs:
 
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