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She's a normal, right?

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Christaberk

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Meet Brownie. Tiny thing, only 20 grams or so. She was purchased from a reptile store who gets product directly from breeders. I didn't, however, ask for a hatch date or anything. I've had her for a month and a half now.

I THINK she's a normal, possibly Miami. Not sure. HELP!!

Cell phone pics. Gotta love them. Colors, however, are fairly true to life.
 

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Hi Crista

i had the same quetion a few days ago. I was told that Miami corns dont have orange on the ground colour, just grayish/silver.
 
I think that's either a rootbeer (great plains rat snake/corn snake hybrid) or it's a straight up great plains ratsnake. I'm leaning towards rootbeer however. Corns are usually orange-saddled. That brown town is abnormal.
 
Shiari said:
I think that's either a rootbeer (great plains rat snake/corn snake hybrid) or it's a straight up great plains ratsnake. I'm leaning towards rootbeer however. Corns are usually orange-saddled. That brown town is abnormal.
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I would believe this...
 
Shiari said:
I think that's either a rootbeer (great plains rat snake/corn snake hybrid) or it's a straight up great plains ratsnake. I'm leaning towards rootbeer however. Corns are usually orange-saddled. That brown town is abnormal.
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Oh, my. Thinking she may be a straight up great plains ratsnake kinda makes me sad. :(

Not sure why, though. I just am.

I know NOTHING about rat snakes. Are they MUCH different than a corn? And she was sold to me as a corn.
 
Looking at Ians, though, she does look like a rootbeer. Makes me feel at least a little better that she isn't just a plain rat snake. I love corns, and a rat in the mix messes with my brain. :)

Good thing I have no intention of breeding her. Because I have NO EARTHLY idea what might come out of her. :)
 
Shiari said:
I think that's either a rootbeer (great plains rat snake/corn snake hybrid) or it's a straight up great plains ratsnake. I'm leaning towards rootbeer however. Corns are usually orange-saddled. That brown town is abnormal.
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That's exactly what I thought. Looks like a rootbeer to me.
 
I actually think she's drop dead gorgeous :) I love the browns and I'd love to see what she looks like when she's older. Rootbeers are very pretty, definitely a favorite of mine :)
Cornsnakes are a sub-species of Ratsnakes. They are very similar, no difference in husbandry and I believe the size is similar also. Yours will grow up looking very much like a cornsnake, so if you ever breed her - make sure potential buyers are aware of her bloodlines!

I have a rat/corn hybrid also, which was sold to me as a corn. I had no idea she was a hybrid until I found this forum. I was a bit upset at first, but since I have no intention on ever breeding, it really makes no difference. Mine is beautiful too, lighter than yours but very similar. She has an unbelievable disposition, very sweet. Enjoy your little hybrid, I bet she will develop into a very pretty girl!
 
Thank you!

Tara80 said:
Mostly due to her dark brown coloration and saddles.
She may just be a dark caramel but she may also be a rootbeer or kistachi.

This may help. Here's a morph guide to look through and maybe you will be able to find something that looks most like her. It's a great reference.

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/
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Thank you for the link to the guide. I have seen it before, but there is SO much information my brain exploded. ;)

Knowing what to look for now, yes. She does look like a rootbeer. Kinda cool. Just not something I would want to breed with my (possibly male) coral snow.
 
I agree!!

WestCoast_Redneck said:
I actually think she's drop dead gorgeous :) I love the browns and I'd love to see what she looks like when she's older. Rootbeers are very pretty, definitely a favorite of mine :)
Cornsnakes are a sub-species of Ratsnakes. They are very similar, no difference in husbandry and I believe the size is similar also. Yours will grow up looking very much like a cornsnake, so if you ever breed her - make sure potential buyers are aware of her bloodlines!

I have a rat/corn hybrid also, which was sold to me as a corn. I had no idea she was a hybrid until I found this forum. I was a bit upset at first, but since I have no intention on ever breeding, it really makes no difference. Mine is beautiful too, lighter than yours but very similar. She has an unbelievable disposition, very sweet. Enjoy your little hybrid, I bet she will develop into a very pretty girl!
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I think Brownie is beautiful. I'm ashamed to admit, I'm a bit scared of the red corn snakes. Something about them freaks me out. And the Bloodred. Yeah... creepy. :)

My little girl is sweet, but a bit jumpy sometimes. She isn't thrilled when I hold her, though she will tolerate it. She's never turned hateling on me, but one day she will.

She is curious and seems to digest her food quite quickly. I can feed her tonight and by tomorrow morning (less than 12 hrs later) she will be chilling in her vines, happy as a clam.
 
Rootbeer, if I had to guess. And don't be bummed, until a few years back, they were considered the western variant of corns. Then they were P. g. emoryi (same species, different subspecies), and now just P. emoryi. Taxonomy changes, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them be the same species again before it's all said and done. In a black and white picture, they are near impossible to tell from a corn. The eye is sometimes a bit bigger, and their belly checkers usually have only two sharp corners (vs. four sharp corners on most pure corns). At least on the ones I've had... would be curious about this one's belly.
 
Chip said:
Rootbeer, if I had to guess. And don't be bummed, until a few years back, they were considered the western variant of corns. Then they were P. g. emoryi (same species, different subspecies), and now just P. emoryi. Taxonomy changes, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them be the same species again before it's all said and done. In a black and white picture, they are near impossible to tell from a corn. The eye is sometimes a bit bigger, and their belly checkers usually have only two sharp corners (vs. four sharp corners on most pure corns). At least on the ones I've had... would be curious about this one's belly.
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I got a bit of her belly on the 3rd picture. Between my fingers. Yeah. That's her belly there. I can try to get a better shot at home tonight. She just wouldn't cooperate, silly little snake.

Sorry for the blurriness of the last shot there. My phone had a hard time focusing. That's why I didn't put it in the original post. I can try to get a better belly shot tonight.
 

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I love the brown coloring! Very beautiful scalebaby you have there!

(don't have my brain wrapped around genetics so I will leave that be)
 
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