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Sol is gone...

I have a couple of pennies lying around so I'll throw in my two cents.

I purchased my first corn (Normal Motley), Tek about a month ago from a trade show. I must admit it was a full impulse buy and I knew nothing about corn snakes at the time. In the time since I brought Tek home I have dedicated myself to learning everything I can about corn snakes. Boy was I surprised when I discovered all of the fabulous morphs and colors associated with the species.

Even though I now know that Mr. Tek is an average representation of the corn I would NEVER consider "trading up". My boy may have "normal" coloring but I adore his own uniqueness regardless. Every corn is like a finger print and no two are alike. We should all embrace the individuality of each of our snakes and know that each is truly one of a kind.
 
I've sold many adults and juveniles that I raised from hatchlings. Some were purchased for breeding schemes that I changed my mind on or bought different animals to take their place. I don't have a significant emotional attachment to most of my snakes, so I guess I don't feel very judgemental about the OP's decision. Sure, there's a "poor Sol" element that is probably more intense for those who are more emotional about snakes as pets. I guess I'm just not sure if he's any more deserving of criticism than I am. :shrugs:
 
3 pages of chastising because a guy made a decision to return a snake? Kinda ridiculous, no?

A wise man once said, "Let he that have not THIS sin cast the first stone."

Who among us has never made a purchase only to discover the purchase was not quite what we thought it would be, and as such sold it, gave it away, or returned it to the shop it came from? Who among us is so perfect that every decision we have made regarding our animals was a lasting and lifetime commitment, never to be returned or rehomed?

As far as I can see...the OP made a purchase, realised the purchase did not suit his needs, and made sure the animal went to a home where it could be properly cared for. Where is the harm in that? Where is the wrong? The animal didn't suffer, and the OP made a conscious decision based on his needs. Period.

There seem to be an awful lot of peole that are VERY holier than thou. I really don't like seeing that sort of attitude. there isn't a person on this forum that is perfect in every aspect of their animal husbandry, and as such, there isn't a person on this forum that has any right to chastise and belittle someone simply for "changing their mind" about a purchase. It would be a completely different story if the OP bought the animal than killed it because it wasn't working out. It would be completely different if the OP came home with a reticulated python completely uninformed and simply released it into the wild. There are many reasons why people deserve to be treated with a lack of respect. But retunring an animal to be properly placed after making a poor decision is certainly not one of them.

There seems to be some soapboxes and high horses that need to be taken down a peg or two at times...

And just so we are clear...Last year I purchased a neonate BCI. I just sold him about a week ago. Why? Because he no longer fit in with my plans. He was taking up room that is better suited to the business end of my collection, and so I sold him to a good home where he would be loved and cherished. I also am selling an adult normal Florida King that I bought with the prospect of breeding him. I no longer "need" him, so he is being sold to someone else. Anyone that would like to chastise me for such actions is welcome to an open discussion and debate about the moral and ethical implications they may feel I have violated. It won't do you any good, because I have a perfectly clean conscience. But you're welcome to try...
 
Roy Munson said:
I've sold many adults and juveniles that I raised from hatchlings. Some were purchased for breeding schemes that I changed my mind on or bought different animals to take their place. I don't have a significant emotional attachment to most of my snakes, so I guess I don't feel very judgemental about the OP's decision. Sure, there's a "poor Sol" element that is probably more intense for those who are more emotional about snakes as pets. I guess I'm just not sure if he's any more deserving of criticism than I am. :shrugs:
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I agree, and that means more coming from a breeder. I was just typing something similar because I've seen other breeders do the same and I just don't understand why the OP is getting so much flack for pretty much the same action, even if I personally don't agree with it (but each person is different and who am I to judge?)
 
Roy, Tflyier, I whole heartedly thank you. Not only for your understanding, but for helping a not so eloquent peer get a point across.

I know there are different types of people in the hobby. We have the same people in the fish hobby, but when I traded/sold fish, I was never attacked by those who felt a deep emotional bond with their fish.

I appreciate you and respect you.

I have no ill will with those that don't agree with me, I just hope that maybe they will try to understand.
 
cohazard said:
Roy, Tflyier, I whole heartedly thank you. Not only for your understanding, but for helping a not so eloquent peer get a point across.

I know there are different types of people in the hobby. We have the same people in the fish hobby, but when I traded/sold fish, I was never attacked by those who felt a deep emotional bond with their fish.

I appreciate you and respect you.

I have no ill will with those that don't agree with me, I just hope that maybe they will try to understand.
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No problem.

Oh, and...See you in Anaheim! If you see a tall, slender tattooed guy walking around with a blonde 4 year old daughter, a girlfriend and a grandmother...ask if it's me, cause it probably is...I'll be there all day Saturday at least...possibly Sunday, too.
 
I make no claims to be holier than anyone, not even in my own head. I think it was the 'he's not dead haha' and 'I will be happy with a humble collection of 4 snakes. I hope haha' that made me question if a long-lived pet was the right choice.
I didn't mean to put you down, I was just expressing how I personally feel about anything I get as a pet. Not better than you, just different.
 
As aware as I am that buying an animal and taking it home is a commitment that is supposed to be lifelong..I can't see myself getting mad at Cohazzard for what he did..As other members have said..it's not like he abused it or killed it or just gave it to the first kid knocking at his door asking for a snake. I don't think I ever bought a snake on impulse..I mean if I had to say that I did it would have to be Maize, my first corn..but even when I bought her, I asked the store a lot of questions and I bought her for the main reason that I have always wanted a snake but my mom wouldn't let me have one when I lived with her..

But anyway..getting back to the point at hand..I can't really get upset at him for what he did..I think some valid statements were made from both sides but that is just my thoughts..
 
diamondlil said:
I make no claims to be holier than anyone, not even in my own head. I think it was the 'he's not dead haha' and 'I will be happy with a humble collection of 4 snakes. I hope haha' that made me question if a long-lived pet was the right choice.
I didn't mean to put you down, I was just expressing how I personally feel about anything I get as a pet. Not better than you, just different.
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That was a joke because of the title 'Sol is gone...' I didn't want anyone to get the wrong impression and think I killed it through ignorance.

The other part, knowing how addicting snakes are, the 'I hope' means that I will try to control myself and not get rid of my fish tanks to make space for snake vivs, and not meaning that I would get bored and get rid of my snakes.
 
Or 2 rack systems~!
Or better yet, convert a wall in a spare room to all shelves with heat tape routed in the back.........
 
cohazard said:
The other part, knowing how addicting snakes are, the 'I hope' means that I will try to control myself and not get rid of my fish tanks to make space for snake vivs,
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Ha! You might be surprised. I've broken down tank after tank after tank with the dream of filling them all back up with snakes next time. I've enjoyed breeding fish, now my interests are taking me in new directions. Snake care is infinitely easier than fish care. :cheers:
 
In my opinion there is a BIG difference between breeders selling snakes that no longer fit into their breeding plans and someone who has snakes for pets.
I do understand changing your mind on a purchase, but an animal isn't like buying a pair of shoes then deciding they don't go with the outfit you bought them for.
I realize snakes don't develop emotional attatchments to us, but we have made a commitment to that animal the minute we brought it into our homes.

I just hope he really thinks through what he wants before he brings anymore animals into his home.
 
I don't have any of my original corn snakes - which were normals, amels, and snows. I got more into the hobby and started liking the ghost morphs better. I also know others who have had a snake for a while and then rehomed it. I even have a snake back in my collection now from someone that bought it off of me!
My first snakes were from pet stores and craigs list. Don't buy from either anymore.
If you really get into the hobby it is not that unusual for your tastes to evolve and get more 'refined' as you learn more about the wide spectrum of color morphs available. It's not really the same as getting rid of a cat, dog, or bird, which do bond with their owners. In their cases I would expect a lifetime commitment, and consider a person getting rid of them shallow. But reptiles are going to be OK after a separation and as long as the new owner takes proper care of them...
 
snakemom1961 said:
In my opinion there is a BIG difference between breeders selling snakes that no longer fit into their breeding plans and someone who has snakes for pets.
I do understand changing your mind on a purchase, but an animal isn't like buying a pair of shoes then deciding they don't go with the outfit you bought them for.
I realize snakes don't develop emotional attatchments to us, but we have made a commitment to that animal the minute we brought it into our homes.

I just hope he really thinks through what he wants before he brings anymore animals into his home.
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Ok, I just need to ask. What is the difference between a breeder selling a snake that no longer fits into breeding plans and someone who has snakes for pets?
I don't want to start trouble, but honestly, the SNAKE doesn't know if it's a pet or a breeder. I treat all my snakes the same. Some are pets/breeders and some are "just" breeders that may or may not die of old age in my house. BRenda (who will be sold next season) is treated the same as Vidalia (who is staying with me forever). So, as long as the animal is treated well, I just don't see a problem...or the difference between what I do and what cohazard did....
 
starsevol said:
Ok, I just need to ask. What is the difference between a breeder selling a snake that no longer fits into breeding plans and someone who has snakes for pets?
I don't want to start trouble, but honestly, the SNAKE doesn't know if it's a pet or a breeder. I treat all my snakes the same. Some are pets/breeders and some are "just" breeders that may or may not die of old age in my house. BRenda (who will be sold next season) is treated the same as Vidalia (who is staying with me forever). So, as long as the animal is treated well, I just don't see a problem...or the difference between what I do and what cohazard did....
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No difference at all to the snake, but I'd have thought in most cases a pet would mean more as an individual to its owner than a snake in a breeder's collection:shrugs:
 
Breeders often times bring snakes into their collections for different genes. I totally get that and understand that. I also realize the snake doesn't get attached to us humans. Its just my opinion that once you bring an animal into your home as a pet, you should be responsible for that animal until the end.
I have 4 snakes now. Tiaga a normal that isn't very pretty, but she's our first and we love her. Rogue is an anery I purchased at a reptile show that hasn't stayed as dark as the anery's I've seen that made me want one. Would I get rid of him because his color isn't what I want? Not in a heartbeat. Brogan was purchased as an Oketee, but has turned out to be just a nice looking normal. Again he will stay here till he's ended his days here on earth. Hopefully 15-20 years from now.

That's just how I feel we should be when we bring pets into our homes. Breeders looking to add new blood to their genes to me(and it's only my opinion) is much different.
 
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