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Some People... (rant!)

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I look kind of anemic in that lighting. Not as much as when I'm wearing school-bus-yellow clothing. Pass me an Iron-Tab please.

Go to the USER CP (link at near-top left of the screen),
then in the CP, scroll down, it's a link on the left side.
Under "Settings and Options".
;)

You do not look anemic!! You look healthy to me. Don't you know? Im the sickly vegan who has to take a ton of supplements!
 
I came back:nyah:

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Is IS spectacular, isn't it? It was made by someone who typically loves to wear school-bus-yellow, although I didn't get to see him in that when I met him. You might know him...he's the iron-deprived soul who posted above. :laugh:
 
Is IS spectacular, isn't it? It was made by someone who typically loves to wear school-bus-yellow, although I didn't get to see him in that when I met him. You might know him...he's the iron-deprived soul who posted above. :laugh:

Ha! It is very cool! You guys got to meet in person?
 
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
(a famouse vegan Dr. and author)

My previous Dr. Dr. Cottrell ( he is in minden,nv you can get his phone #)

My current Dr. Dr. Chacon 775-883-3636

Also, the 7 Day adventist medical center in Portland Oregon is a vegetarian hospitol with PLENTY of Dr.s and 1 Fab dietician.

So...your own personal physician, a "famous vegan doctor", and a "vegetarian hospital". These are the sources that I am expected to believe when they tell me that invariably a vegan diet will always be healthier than a diet that includes meat? Gee, I can't possibly imagine what personal agenda any of them might have in promoting their own, personal, and presumably very expensive, niche class of treatment...

Sorry, YBH. I'm not benig argumentative, but I won't accept "expert advice" from people trying to convince me that their way is the best way. I prefer the advice that states that a well balanced diet is the healthiest choice. You know...an omnivorous diet that is NOT oversaturated with sugars, fats, and unnecessary byproducts. A diet that is consistent with both nutritional value and caloric intake levels based on a person's physicality and activity levels, not the fat, lazy, death-by-hamburger that you evidently think every non-vegan participates in.

And absolutely, positively, NOT some doctor or hospital promoting their own work as the "healthiest choice"...
 
Sorry, YBH. I'm not benig argumentative, but I won't accept "expert advice" from people trying to convince me that their way is the best way. I prefer the advice that states that a well balanced diet is the healthiest choice. You know...an omnivorous diet that is NOT oversaturated with sugars, fats, and unnecessary byproducts. A diet that is consistent with both nutritional value and caloric intake levels based on a person's physicality and activity levels, not the fat, lazy, death-by-hamburger that you evidently think every non-vegan participates in.

Isn't the bolded a bit...

Well, what that says, so far as I can understand, is that you won't accept any opinion from an expert unless that opinion confirms your pre-existing bias. You won't accept "Expert Advice" from people trying to convince you they know better than you. Isn't that what expert advice is? Advice from people that are experts?

Ty, you say you're not being argumentative, but then you go on to argue that you know better. You're essentially saying that a vegetarian diet can not, under any circumstances, be as healthy as a balanced diet that includes meat. I'm sure you can back that, right?
 
Isn't the bolded a bit...

Well, what that says, so far as I can understand, is that you won't accept any opinion from an expert unless that opinion confirms your pre-existing bias. You won't accept "Expert Advice" from people trying to convince you they know better than you. Isn't that what expert advice is? Advice from people that are experts?

Ty, you say you're not being argumentative, but then you go on to argue that you know better. You're essentially saying that a vegetarian diet can not, under any circumstances, be as healthy as a balanced diet that includes meat. I'm sure you can back that, right?

No, I would absolutely accept expert advice if it came from a non-biased medical team. If there was a news release issued from the USDA or FDA stating that new scientific research showed that including meat in any form in your diet was vastly less healthy than a vegetarian diet, by all means I'll listen.

Problem is...the FDA and USDA both recommend a healthy, nutritionally balanced diet...not a vegan diet, and not a vegetarian diet.

As for the boldface...I challenge you to find one instance where I stated that a vegan and/or vegetarian diet cannot ever under any circumstances be as healthy as an omnivorous diet. I'll save you the time because I never said that. never even implied it. In fact, quite the opposite I have stated on numerous occasions that a properly balanced vegan/vegetarian diet CAN be healthy. The ONLY thing regarding health and "alternative" diets is that I don't know any healthy vegans or vegetarians that do not take dietary supplements.

Everything else you are evidently making up as you go along...
 
I prefer the advice that states that a well balanced diet is the healthiest choice. You know...an omnivorous diet

The thing that at least I have been trying to say (and some others I'm sure) is that you can have a well balanced diet being an omnivore, but you can also have a well balanced diet being a vegetarian. Balanced is in regard to getting the right balance of nutrients that your body needs, it does not mean that you have to be an omnivore and eat all types of foods.
I have used the skim method for posts that are not directed at me, so I can totally get that perhaps some people are saying one is better than the other, but I did just want to note that is not what I am saying nor is it what I have been trying to say. And I do know you were not responding to me here or even talking about what I said, I just wanted to put that out there to you know make sure my point was clear because when I read that post about 'healthiest' it made me think that maybe I had also not been properly clear. So to sum it is not my position that one is more healthy than the other, just that implemented properly both can be healthy, balanced, and complete, and of course implemented poorly both can be devastating to a body.
 
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